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Old January 17th, 2016, 08:54 AM   #16
 
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I understand about s thin barrel and heat. This is not that. If 2 min shots and a barrel that is only warm to the touch affects this rifle this bad its not even good for a hunting rifle. I highly doubt that this is the problem. If what my rifle is doing is how they all act I would have heard on the web a heck of a lot more complaints then I can find. I highly doubt its anything but peculiar to this particular gun. BTW I checked again the rails, I actually broke a star bit off snapped it clean trying to tighten down the screws before I got one bit of movement. I got a new star bit and checked and they all were very tight not one bit of movement and took quite a bit of torque to remove them. No lock tight but that does not matter if they are tight, may be a problem in future but not what is causing a problem now.
It looks like you have done your due diligence. It just MIGHT be the rifle. You might try one more time, with factory ammo, over sandbags instead of a rest. Maybe even with another shooter. After that, maybe send it back to Ruger with the targets, and all of the info on what you did to trouble shoot the accuracy problem. Keep us posted please!



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Old January 17th, 2016, 11:21 AM   #17
 
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Sorry but any rifle that had to go through that to shoot sub 6 inch groups at 100 yards is a rifle that is going on Gun Broker. I have had a lot of rifle and still do, Ruger 77 3006, Rem 700 3006, two 03a3 one rem one smith corona and they will shoot as dirty as you want with open sights 3 inch groups all day long. I did buy a box of lake city 7.62, and some IMR 4064 and some different mag primers. I thought I would load up ten rounds of 4064, ten 414, and take ten of the lake city. Three targets and see what that does. If they all shoot erratic then when I get the shipping lable it goes back to Ruger Tuesday.
I like that strategy. Dump it on some poor unsuspecting sap.
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I agree with what has been posted above. Get a box of Federal Premium Power-Shok in 150 grains. If you can't get repeatable groups the are averaging 1.5 inches at 100 yards, it is probably a rifle defect.

Beware, the sporter barrel is not a big fan of sustained fire. Get an egg timer and allow the barrel to cool between shots. Load each cartridge individually and don't put the round in the chamber until your ready to shoot. Heating up the cartridge will effect burn rate and muzzle velocity enough to move your POI.

I've also noticed that cases for different manufacturers will also shift the POI.

I shoot Sierra 150 gr. Pro-Hunter SPT over 40 gr. of Hodgdon Benchmark with Federal Premium cases. It took a couple months of trips to the range break in the rifle.

Here is a recent grouping.



I have a feeling this is what you expected from the rifle out of the box. But, It took months to get the rifle and ammo dialed in.

FWIW, I think your rifle might be defective. Good Luck.

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Old January 17th, 2016, 11:46 AM   #19
 
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Well she is all boxed up and going back to Ruger. I was supposed to get a shipping label but it has not shown up in my email yet. If they are open tomorrow I will call. Do have a RA number so its all good. I hope Ruger does not ship it back to me with its working fine. Then I will sell it if that is what they come up with. My hope is they really look at it and diagnose what is wrong.
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Are you expecting that the gun to shoot to the same group regardless of ammo?

Are you expecting the gun to group as well with each and every different ammo you try?

If so, ain't going to happen.

Hoping I read your posting correctly.
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Are you expecting that the gun to shoot to the same group regardless of ammo?

Are you expecting the gun to group as well with each and every different ammo you try?

If so, ain't going to happen.

Hoping I read your posting correctly.
No you did not read it correctly at all
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I am surprised to hear of all the problems with the American.
I started with one, and was so impressed with what you can get for so little money, that I now have 3 and will be getting a 4th once I can find a Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. I would LOVE to blame the cartridge, as I despise .308
But, with 7mm-08 and with .204 Ruger, with factory Hornady ammo, all of my Americans will group 6 inches even when fired repeatedly. And I am not a precision shooter, just a hunter. I can shoot 6 inch groups freehand standing up with the .204.
Maybe the rings were torqued too tight around the scope tube. Maybe you got an unlucky Friday at 4:59 pm build, or a Monday morning hangover build. But this is not American (nice pun) at all, in my experience.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles edteach, but sometimes this is what happens with a lower priced rifle. Many people here have had excellent results with the RAR, but once in a while there is a frustrating thread like yours. Personally this is why I would look to a Hawkeye over the American if I was in the market for a new Ruger Rifle.

Please post back with Ruger says and does. I am rather surprised they gave you a RA number as they don't guarantee accuracy only function in my understanding.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles edteach, but sometimes this is what happens with a lower priced rifle. Many people here have had excellent results with the RAR, but once in a while there is a frustrating thread like yours. Personally this is why I would look to a Hawkeye over the American if I was in the market for a new Ruger Rifle.

Please post back with Ruger says and does. I am rather surprised they gave you a RA number as they don't guarantee accuracy only function in my understanding.
I agree. I have a Ruger 77 pre Hawkeye in 3006 left hand. Its a great gun all around. Bought it about 18 years ago or more when wally world was getting rid of the left hand. Think I paid 250 for it on close out. Great gun. I was thinking that with all the good reviews of this gun I would give it a try in 308. I sent a detailed letter to Rgr along with the gun. They should get it tomorrow or Thursday. By mid next week it should be at a Tech desk. I was told they only sight in to 50 yards but if that is the case then they should expect 1.5 inch groups. I was told the feel a rifle that holds 3 inch at 100 yds is fine, so one that should be half at 50 yds. As long as it holds a group even one of 3 inches at 100 yds works for me. Better than the all over the place spray I am getting. I will let you know what Rgr says and if they do fix it what the results are.
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If you get it back as "within specs" you may have some luck with aggressive load development. My .30-06 MKII All Weather was bought around the same time as yours and needed a trigger job bad. That being done it still was a paint ball gun. I did kill a few Elk with it, but not how I wanted. Put in away for many years then when I got into reloading development work with seating depth, bullet weight and powder charge turned up a decent 1 MOA Sierra 165 Game King load just a grain off max. At max it was back to a paint ball gun again. Factory loads are worthless in this rifle.

If it is a barrel heating issue, which is most likely, you can hope to create a two or three shot hunting gun and be done with it. Otherwise GunBroker would be a good option.
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It may go to GB. One persons junk is another treasure. I don't hunt anymore so I really don't need another deer gun. I paid 360 all in for it so I should be able to get my money back or close to it.
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It may go to GB. One persons junk is another treasure. I don't hunt anymore so I really don't need another deer gun. I paid 360 all in for it so I should be able to get my money back or close to it.
But more often than not one man's minute of pie plate junk will be another man's junk too.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 03:40 AM   #28
 
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That is why I sent it back to Ruger instead of selling it outright. If Ruger says its fine then you could get the same new from any Ruger dealer.
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I ran across this posting thread on the RA rifle. Sounds like the exact same problem I have been having. Head spacing problem makes the rifle shoot all over the place. If this is the problem it grinds me I wasted 50 dollars worth of ammo trying to sight it in. Its not for sure but this does sound a lot like what is going on with my rifle.

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I received a call from Ruger today. I was told that the gun was fine and it shoots excellent groups at 50 yards. After 2 scopes and different factory and hand loads I will give it one more try. When I get it back I will return the scope to Walmart and then go buy another one to make sure its not the scope for a third try. If I get the same 6 inch group at 100 yards then its off to the auction house with this dog. If Ruger says its good then I have no obligation to tell a potential buyer anything different. If its me I have no idea on what to do. Maybe this gun is just not for me. I will give it a last try to see if its the scope but if not than I have no idea what is going on. Maybe nothing and maybe Rugers so called good grouping is very liberal. Maybe the rifle does not like all the different ammo I am trying. I really don't know. Ruger was not much help but if it is by some strange deal the scope I can understand that they can not find it but if not I am lost on what is going on. I know the first thing to always blame is the user. But I have been on several boards and taken all the advice but the most outlandish and tried it. Different ammo, factory and hand loads, different scopes, tightened the rails, the rings. It should not be nor has it in the many rifles I have used ever been that hard to zero in a rifle. If anyone has any ideas I am all ears.
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