Originally Posted by Waveform
Out of curiosity I have a question for those who are already into this long distance shooting game - if you were interested in getting into this and the new Ruger PR
was priced to open the door for you how much would you budget for a proper scope? Obviously this rifle comes without a scope and you need one. If the PR
has a street price in the $1000 - $1200 range what would you plan to spend on a good scope? I'm expecting to hear more than the rifle costs but I could be wrong. And I don't necessarily mean how cheap can you do it either. I will assume the PR
is a good enough rifle for this game so what do you think is the appropriate scope gonna cost?
I have no place down here in the swamps and jungles to shoot long (200 yards is the longest range around here that I know of) but I'm still interested enough to wonder what your total investment might be to set this rifle up.
I have a McMillan TAC 50 and run a long game with it.
The gun shoots 1/2 MOA at 1K yds and uses a seriously custom 32x Leupold on it.
Looked over the cut sheets and press release on the Ruger, and haven't seen any claims to accuracy. One would would assume sub-minute out of the box from a long range shooter.
The problem you run into with optics at longer distance, is clarity.
Fuzzy sight picture at 1600 yds is no bueno.
If you're only shooting at 2-300yds, most decent off the shelf scopes provide the clarity required to produce good shot placement. You could do well with first focal plane scope, something in the 12-24x power at 200-300 yds.
Should give you excellent sight picture and shot placement. Also good for the closer ranges.
At the longer distances, especially out to the 1600 yd range the mfg boasts, would probably require spending almost as much money for the optics as you did for the gun.
Probably more, if you want to be consistent at those distances.
Get something with adjustable turrets.
At that distance, you probably need something less than the typical 1/4 MOA adjustments. 1/4 MOA at 1600 yds is 4.188".
Makes it tough to dial in your scope at distance.
A scope with 1/8 MOA adjustments gives you far greater adjustments. Also.....Mo money.
Requires super fine reticles at 1600 yds. Definitely second focal plane scope required at longer distance. Drives the price up considerably. First focal plane probably won't do it. The reticle will most likely cover your intended target.
A .308 WIN traveling at 2710 fps at the muzzle slows to 1100 fps and drops 424 inches at 1000 yards. (Over 35 feet)
The velocity slows to approx 850 fps and drops over 1800 inches at 1600 yards. That's over 150 foot drop in 1600 yards.
What is that? Like a 15 story building? Trajectory like a freakin' rainbow.
Scopes don't have that range of adjustment.
The Ruger features a built in 20MOA rail. Designed to elevate the rear of the scope to be able to help center the scope at distance and use the full range of the elevation adjustment at distance.
This places your distant target back into the center of the optics where it has the least distortion and some adjustments for elevaton.
A 20MOA rail will make shot placement at the closer distances challenging for any scope as you will have to really crank of the turrets to bring your POI back down. If possible.
A 20MOA rail isn't good for squat inside of a couple hundred yards unless you have an extreme range adjustable scope.
Now you're back to using the crappy part of the optics to do most of your bidding at closer ranges.
If you use it at closer ranges most of the time, personally, I would swap out the elevated 20MOA rail for a flat one. But that's just me.
But I also wouldn't buy it for close up work. 600 and out more than likely. I like my Gunsite Scout in .308 for close up work.
Might be a really nice 1K yd gun in .308.
I don't know about the .308 out to 1600 yds though. I think the .308 starts to get a little wobble at about 1300 yds. It goes sub-sonic at 1100 yds.
If they can stabilize the .308 out to 1600 yds, would be a great shooter. A 20" barrel can only throw them out so fast though.
Maybe they are talking about reaching out there with the 6.5 Creedmoor and a 24" barrel.
Smaller projectile of the 6.5 Creedmoor, B.C of .585 vs .425 for the .308 WIN. The 6.5 creedmoor doesn't go sub-sonic until well over 1300 yds. and drops 334 inches at 1K yds and only drops 1290 inches at 1600yds.
Quite a bit different end game than the .308 WIN.
Although I prefer the .308 for simplicity, the 6.5 Creedmoor is probably a better choice for the long distance shooting. Now I'll have to get a bunch of new dies. Crap.
Then again, how many times do you get to poke holes in stuff at 1600 yds? Mountain Goat hunting anyone?
Clarity is a must have for long distance shooting. And that cost big duckets.
As you know, this is only an opinion.
I am definitely getting in line for one of these.
Whatever you shoot, have fun doing it.