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Old March 18th, 2015, 02:25 AM   #1
 
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Muzzle Brake

Hello all,
I have a Hawkeye 308 Tactical that I'm considering having a muzzle brake installed for the usual reasons. Do any of you have this same rifle with this modification and if so what brand of brake and how much do you feel it reduced recoil?

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A 308 rarley needs a break unless you are very recoil shy or you have an exceptionally light rifle.
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The .308 Gunsite doesn't really have that much of a punch, but I tend to lose site of the target after the trigger is pulled due to muzzle jump. I took off the factory flash hider and installed a Fortis RED (Rapid Engagement Device) Hybrid Brake/Compensator on my Model 6822 .308 Gunsite Scout. It is intended for use on full auto or semi auto .308 rifles to reduce muzzle jump. It not only pushes forward like a conventional brake but also has top-ported holes along with the angled brake face to push the muzzle down. Works great on my bolt action .308 No regrets.
It actually reduced the muzzle jump so that I can see the bullet impact at 100 yds thru the scout scope. With the stock flash hider, I always lost site of the target because of the muzzle jump of the 18" barrel.
5/8-24 threaded barrel, so it installed fairly easily with a stainless crush washer. And looks pretty kool too.
I 'pre-crushed' the washer most of the way with a hardened 5/8 bolt and washer so I didn't put too much stress on the rifle threads, then finished the final timing/indexing on the barrel.

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Holland QD or Kies linear comp. I have a couple PRI quiet control comp's that I like, but the Holland is my favorite. If it's a range toy, the Kies is quieter on the firing line.
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I'm an older guy who's having neck and shoulder problems and the recoil is getting to me only after a few rounds and I may have to drop to a smaller caliber in order to handle any more than ten rounds or so....

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I'm an older guy who's having neck and shoulder problems and the recoil is getting to me only after a few rounds and I may have to drop to a smaller caliber in order to handle any more than ten rounds or so....

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Along with a decent brake (If the barrel is threaded), you can also look into an adjustable Morgan recoil pad. I didn't put a brake on it, but the Morgan recoil pad tamed my Springfield 1903-A3 30-06 so I can pretty much shoot it all day. Much more kick than any .308. Pretty nice recoil pad too. Just a thought.
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I just got a Surefire ProComp 7.62 muzzle brake. I can't wait to install it and shoot with it mounted.
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Unhappy Muzzle brake issues

This post may be too late for this discussion. I'm an older guy too looking for recoil/muzzle jump reduction. I just had a gunsmith machine the threads at the end of my Scout's 16 inch barrel. A Kineti-tech 5/8 X 24 thread brake would not hand thread. The company said it was loose threads perhaps from "an end of the barrel run." The brake would not center with ports east and west as prescribed by the company. Ruger rep said a new gun would not have left the factory that way. Gunsmith agreed with Kineti-tech and filed the threads some. He was able to center the brake properly. The brake comes with a "sound director" which projects blast forward and supposedly will reduce noise for shooter and nearby shooters. Have not shot rifle yet. It is a cheaper option $58 direct from company so my expectations are set low after the installation trouble I've had.

Has anyone else used a Kineti-tech brake? (I posted this to another older discussion). Bob
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+1 on the Surefire.....they work well.........
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Even if you didnt have neck and shoulder problems, if ya wanna comp yer gun do it. A Pachmyr Decelerator buttpad is nice too!
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Please keep in mind the same muzzle brake that makes shooting more comfortable for you, directs the muzzle blast to the sides, making everyone near you totally miserable.

At the monthly varmint shooters dinner, organized by the match director at my local club, I recently learned that I am not the only shooter who feels that way. Several other of the guys described the same experience as follows:

Many times, I have been set up to practice precision shooting with one or more of my rifles. Then another shooter arrives with a muzzle brake equipped rifle, usually in 300 Winchester Mag, or some such powerful cartridge. With not enough benches to get very far from the guy, I cannot get away from his muzzle blast. As he starts shooting, the blast from his muzzle brake bounces my head sideways with every shot. It also fires up my tinnitus. After a few experiences like that, I learned the only thing to do is to pack up my gear and head home, whenever a muzzle brake equipped rifle shows up.

Like I said, until recently, I thought it was only me. Then I overheard three other guys telling each other the same story, so I joined in with an emphatic, "me to." We all agreed that a shooter should stick to firearms that he or she can handle without annoying and possibly injuring other shooters.

It is that thinking that has me limiting myself to either varmint cartridges or .243 Winchester for deer and other small game. My 68 year old body can no longer handle anything more violent and I am not willing to be a problem for the other shooters at my club.

I read the comment on a muzzle break adapter that directs the noise forward. By my understanding of physics, that should also redirect the recoil right back to the shooter, countering the positive effect of the muzzle brake. As is often said, "there is no such thing as a free lunch."

Here is an excellent article on the pros and cons of using a muzzle brake. I suggest you read it and then make your own informed decision.

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Please keep in mind the same muzzle brake that makes shooting more comfortable for you, directs the muzzle blast to the sides, making everyone near you totally miserable.

At the monthly varmint shooters dinner, organized by the match director at my local club, I recently learned that I am not the only shooter who feels that way. Several other of the guys described the same experience as follows:

Many times, I have been set up to practice precision shooting with one or more of my rifles. Then another shooter arrives with a muzzle brake equipped rifle, usually in 300 Winchester Mag, or some such powerful cartridge. With not enough benches to get very far from the guy, I cannot get away from his muzzle blast. As he starts shooting, the blast from his muzzle brake bounces my head sideways with every shot. It also fires up my tinnitus. After a few experiences like that, I learned the only thing to do is to pack up my gear and head home, whenever a muzzle brake equipped rifle shows up.

Like I said, until recently, I thought it was only me. Then I overheard three other guys telling each other the same story, so I joined in with an emphatic, "me to." We all agreed that a shooter should stick to firearms that he or she can handle without annoying and possibly injuring other shooters.

It is that thinking that has me limiting myself to either varmint cartridges or .243 Winchester for deer and other small game. My 68 year old body can no longer handle anything more violent and I am not willing to be a problem for the other shooters at my club.

I read the comment on a muzzle break adapter that directs the noise forward. By my understanding of physics, that should also redirect the recoil right back to the shooter, countering the positive effect of the muzzle brake. As is often said, "there is no such thing as a free lunch."

Here is an excellent article on the pros and cons of using a muzzle brake. I suggest you read it and then make your own informed decision.

Muzzle Brakes
Not to high jack this thread but I have a similar story involving a few buddies of mine at an indoor range. One of our friends brought his AMD AKM with an aggressive brake on it. He was doing a lot of rapid fire strings with me right next him. I finally stepped back and noticed that he had cleared three lanes on either side of him!
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Theres nothin like the muzzle blast from a brake under a corrugated metal roof. Its like the thunder of God. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Theres nothin like the muzzle blast from a brake under a corrugated metal roof. Its like the thunder of God. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree, If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.....If someone at the Range does not like my muzzle brake, they can leave.....
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Theres nothin like the muzzle blast from a brake under a corrugated metal roof. Its like the thunder of God. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Been there and done that with many of my rifles. Most memorable is my barrett 50.

I can see both sides of the arguement, one the impact to others beside you, and the other the benefit to the shooter. I run several flash hiders, and several brakes. I perfer the brake for the recoil reduction, and faster follow up shots. Ok so why own a big caliber rifle, and punish yourself when you do not have to without a compensator? Any rifle of sufficient caliber is gonna be loud, my 5.56 10.5" is very loud. Same with most any hunting caliber at close range. I try to be respectful of other shooters at the range, but others sometimes do not take the same courtesy. For a home defense rifle I would perfer a flashider, reason its in an enclosed area, and their is a good chance I will not have hearing protection.
It was no different shooting my desert eagle 50 indoors out to 25 yards. After I fired the first round, everybody stopped and looked my direction. I am not sure if it was the fire ball, or blast that gave it away. However I did get as far away from everyone else as possible. I just say be respectful.

As for compensators, I like the shark gill style for the best function, most with that design are very effective and will cut the recoil by 50% or more depending on application. I have a few bennie cooley brakes, a pws, xl comp, and several others. The jp enterprises bennie cooley is one of the best i have used. The scout m1a is more accurate with the factory comp, than the factory flashider. On the ak platform I use a krinkov style compensator, it reduces rise, and makes the rifle less snappy. My winchester model 70 in 7mm rem mag has a boss, it has no recoil. I just believe in brakes, more so today than 5 years ago. Always wear ear plugs.
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