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Old September 10th, 2013, 01:40 PM   #1
 
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10/22 accuracy

Bought a ruger 10/22 Target SS Hammer forged, put a Vortex 4-12x40 scope on it. Took it to the range at 50yds in a outers rifle rest the tightest group I got was in a 2 1/2 " circle please tell me Im doing something wrong. I was shooting about 3/4 " with my ar15 with a cheap banner 3x9 on it. I did not bore sight the 10/22 but didn't do the AR either. Just started shooting and adjusted from there. But a 21/2 " spread hard to adjust. I cleaned the barrel. It was way off when starting about 4' low and 3' left that's a lot of adjustment. LGS says bring it in they will bore sight it. Anybody else run into this problem. What should you expect out of this rifle at 50 yds, I was thinking at least a nickel size group.



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Bought a ruger 10/22 Target SS Hammer forged, put a Vortex 4-12x40 scope on it. Took it to the range at 50yds in a outers rifle rest the tightest group I got was in a 2 1/2 " circle please tell me Im doing something wrong. I was shooting about 3/4 " with my ar15 with a cheap banner 3x9 on it. I did not bore sight the 10/22 but didn't do the AR either. Just started shooting and adjusted from there. But a 21/2 " spread hard to adjust. I cleaned the barrel. It was way off when starting about 4' low and 3' left that's a lot of adjustment. LGS says bring it in they will bore sight it. Anybody else run into this problem. What should you expect out of this rifle at 50 yds, I was thinking at least a nickel size group.
A 10/22 can shoot more accurately than that even offhand with open sights.

My guess? It's not the rifle or the scope at all. You're already shooting groups, and they're already pretty small. It's either the ammo (it may like certain brands more than others), or (gasp!) probably more likely it may also be you. The triggers on 10/22's aren't always the smoothest. I shoot better with my Henry lever 22 than with my 10/22. Why? The Henry has a better trigger, and I don't jerk it off target when I shoot it.

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That's a big spread from a rest, hopefully you manage to fix the problems. Have you done any work to your trigger- maybe your more accustomed to your AR's trigger and just need to lighten your 10/22s trigger pull. Besides that I'd just sat try different ammos and break the gun in.
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I would expect that rifle and scope set-up to print about 1/2-3/4 inch at 25, and 1 to 1.5 inches at 50 ON THE BENCH. If you lock it down in a gun vise, it will probably "halve" that. My guess is that your mounting of the scope is suspect (sorry). Have the scope remounted, and then bore sighted. Start at 25 yards to get a group. Then adjust as necessary for a "Bull". Once you have it reasonably right on, then experiment with ammo. WHEN you find that perfect combination, then you can move that target out to 50, 75, and possibly 100 yards and sight it in for that ammo, and that range.

Good luck, keep us posted.

FWIW, my 10/22 LVT with a leupold 2-7 RF will group 3/8"-3/4" at 25 yards all day long with either Mini-Mags, or the Remington Golden Bullets. (New and Improved). This is from the bench, not a vise

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I will have the scope bore sighted, and yes the trigger pull is really bad. Definitely going to have that fixed, Hope its all of those factors, really not happy with the results. Every rifle I have shoots way better than this one did. Will let you know when I get it bore sighted and make appointment for trigger job. Thanks
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My out of the box 10/22 with a cheap 4X Monkey Wards scope I hit a ground hog twice at a range finder measured 90 yards.
My only shooting is varmints in the neighborhood plus an occasional zero check.
In that light I am most pleased with the accuracy.
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Could be the ammo. Also from what I understand the 10/22 uses a single bolt/screw to attach the barrel/receiver to the stock and if not torqued properly can, cause the barrel to shift around, and therefore, groups will suffer.
I'm not really sure what bore sighting the scope will do apart from giving you what the natural zero should be. I don't think that would help with group size, since you seemed to have found a good zero, you're just getting mediocre groups, for some reason.

If you're still having problems, you could try calling Ruger and explain your problem. They may take the gun back and either fix your rifle or send you a new one. I can't see why they wouldn't fix a 'target' rifle that is shooting 5MOA @ 100, which is pretty bad, if you ask me.
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I don't know this scope, but your problem could be as simple as parallax.

Rim fire scopes are typically adjusted at a shorter distance then centerfire scopes.

Good scopes such as the Leupold EFR (EXTENDED FOCUSE Range) are parallax adjusted as they are focused.

I have seen some scopes such as Bushnell Banners that had huge and horrible parallax problems which in a standard centerfire scope such as a Leupold 2X7 the parallax was minimal.

As was said, it could also be the ammo in use.

The only way to find what your barrel likes is to test until you find the one it likes. The better the barrel, the more different quality levels and brands of ammo that will shoot reasonably or well.

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I'm shooting 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards with my little carbine. Shooting offhand, with irons. I've found that mine seems to like federal target bulk ammo and elley target grade the best. Try getting a few hundred rounds through the gun, trying any and all rounds you can find.
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I'm shooting 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards with my little carbine. Shooting offhand, with irons. I've found that mine seems to like federal target bulk ammo and elley target grade the best. Try getting a few hundred rounds through the gun, trying any and all rounds you can find.
Thank you, Josh. With all due respect to the OP, who asked an honest question, all this discussion about "accurizing" a 10/22 always frustrates me. When the 10/22 was introduced, most folks used 22 rifles with iron sights for plinking as well as for shooting rabbits, squirrels, birds, chipmunks, prairie dogs, etc.

A good shooter can hit rabbits and squirrels in the head with a 10/22 at distances of 50, 80, even 100 yards. They're accurate- more accurate than we are.

Can customized triggers, barrels, bolts, etc., make them better for shooting little groups in paper from benchrests? Of course it can. As we all know, modifying 10/22's is a huge deal. My point, though, is that too often many shooters are too quick to blame the gun. If your gun is shooting 2 1/2 inch groups now, better trigger control can bring that way down with no changes to equipment. Just takes practice.
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Thanks for all the info, The Remington mod 24 I grew up with I used to shoot off hand and hit turtles in the head at 50 yds with iron sights. All my other rifles shoot way tighter groups. I was taking my time with the rifle in a rest. I can put 5 shots in a quarter with my ar15, ar10, and 300 win mag at 50 yds so either it is bad ammo or something is out of whack, The scope has adjustable objective lens. And was set at 50yds, I will have it looked at and try again, when I get the time will look for other ammo as well. Was using Remington Thunderbolt, Only had 10 rnds of cci with me but they didn't do any better. I bought a Ruger mini 14 once, it wouldn't hit a paper plate at 50yds. They sent it back and Ruger said the barrel was messed up. The LGS let me trade it for another rifle. Ive had several pistols from ruger all were accurate as you could ask for. My kids all had ruger 10/22 carbines and they were accurate. And being a new gun 1st time shot I will take some of the blame not being used to that trigger, but it just seemed it should shoot tighter than that. Again thanks we will see,
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I still feel a bit confused. You say you are already shooting groups. I.e., the rifle is not spraying bullets randomly. That tells me your rifle is accurate.

You are also shooting crappy Thunderbolt ammo. Different ammo could easily tighten up your groups without you doing anything differently.

Lastly, you're comparing your 10/22 rimfire rifle to three centerfire rifles. The projectiles you shoot in those rifles is much more uniform in shape from one round to the next than is 22lr. Take a handful of 22lr and look at the bullets. No two are alike.

There is nothing wrong with your 10/22. It is way more accurate than you, I or anyone else here.
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The scope if not setup right would make the same mistake over and over so a small group in the wrong place. My Nikon 3-9X40 shot low and left as well but dialed in very easy maybe 10 shots max. There are 2 things that can cause random error easily the ammo and you. I am not super shot by any means and can shoot 1 1/4 groups at 50 yards.with CCI 'AR Tactical' laugh every time I write that..LOL.. In the ammo dump section there is a long discussion of ammo and 22lr for the most part but a lot of good reading.
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The scope if not setup right would make the same mistake over and over so a small group in the wrong place.
Agreed. But the OP's issue is that he wants smaller groups, and seems to think he has an inaccurate 10/22. He's already getting groups, so he has a zero of some sort with his scope. He wants smaller groups.
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I feel his pain....I got rid of one10/22 due to how inaccurate it was.....seen some good one's and some awful one's over the years....if you want very good groups, get a bolt gun unless you want to spend a lot of money on a 10/22....the 10/22 may be the best throw around plinking small game .22 ever built, but accuracy is not it's strongest point. different ammo may well improve, but doubtful it will be enough.
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