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Old June 8th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #1
 
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Bolt not fully closing!!

The bolt does not always full lock forward. The problem began on a new 10-22 with about 200 rounds through it.

1. I have installed a volquartsen extractor.

2. Fully disassembled and cleaned and oiled the gun.

3. Have polished the bolt and receiver.

4. Have radiused the bolt and polished radius and hammer.

5. The only ammo I use is cci mini mag.

Any and all help would be truly appreciated!!




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Old June 8th, 2013, 07:35 PM   #2
 
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Is this the orig barrel?
Is the extractor lining up and fitting into the slot of the barrel?

Try this vid @ 5:50 into it.
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It is the original barrel and has not been removed, will check for line up. Have seen this video before, it is a very good video. I should have checked to see if it was centered. Thanks for the tip rugaman! If anyone has anything else pls let me know. Oh yea and it does this about every 5 shots or so.

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Old June 8th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #4
 
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Did this start immediatley after your mods or did it run a while after. If its the original barrel and the extractor slot is aligned with the extractor perfectly the next thing I would do is clean the chamber. Use a 90 degree brush like gunsmither.com sells (you can make your own) and clean lightly from the chamber end then pull a couple patches through from the chamber to the muzzle with string timmer line. I only use nylon brushes for the chamber. Never clean from the muzzle with a rod. The last thing I do is using a tooth pick with the bolt locked back put I spec of moly paste or good grease in the extractor slot of the barrel. It really helps with friction in that area while a new extractor burnishes in. Might want to check the VQ extractor to make sure its moving nice and freely. Good luck.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 08:41 PM   #5
 
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The mods were done to try and fix the problem. The extractor is lined up dead center ( i was hoping it was the problem would have been an easy fix) and there are no burrs in the chamber. Extractor is moving well and was put in after the problem started it does have less fte's than it used to. I am getting ftf and when i check the bolt is not snug. Will try the dot of grease next. Thank you!
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The mods were done to try and fix the problem. The extractor is lined up dead center ( i was hoping it was the problem would have been an easy fix) and there are no burrs in the chamber. Extractor is moving well and was put in after the problem started it does have less fte's than it used to. I am getting ftf and when i check the bolt is not snug. Will try the dot of grease next. Thank you!
You'll get it. Try the brushing that Iowa Fox suggested. You can use a tooth brush and melt it slightly in a microwave to achieve the desired angle. Also while the bolt is removed and the receiver is being cleaned and lightly lubed be sure to check the charging handle. I generally polish mine with crocus cloth and or a suitable polish like Flitz by holding the spring back each way. This will eliminate any binding. With the extractor, bolt, barrel and charging handle eliminated your well on your way to the remedy!
Let us know!
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Gonna try cleaning the chamber with a brush in the morning. I already sanded with 600 and polished the charging handle. Yesterday I ordered a power custom extended bolt handle (the spring is 4 ounces stronger so I thought it would help close the bolt tighter) and firing pin. I pray this solves the problem. I've had light hits from the start. I removed the original firing pin and lightly sanded and polished to no avail. I really appreciate the help and tips I get from you guys. I love the ruger forums!!

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Old June 9th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #8
 
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Well I've tried all the above advice. Sadly still no luck. I guess I will try the new parts when they come in. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope it fixes the problem.
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Get an assortment of brands/types of ammo...

Try removing the barrel and doing chambering fit tests on a good number of each kind...

See if you have a problem with tight fit consistent with one type/brand of ammo...

The ONLY ammo I have had a problem with on my 10/22s is Aquila Rifle Match which seem to have slightly fatter bullets that don't want to chamber easily...and CCI blazer which uses a hard wax and often there is a glob of hard stuff on the bullets and since they are bulk packed...they don't get "sized" when packed into the plastic holders that mini mags normally get...and that is in match chambered barrels...which are tighter fit...

Additionally Blazers consistently after a few rounds would leave gobs of wax on the mags and cause feed into chamber problems...

However...with the Aquila rounds...even in my factory barrel auto pistol...about 1 in three refuse to fully chamber...

That is what is known as "not going into battery" ...

So make sure lube/oil/wax/coating whatever is not the problem...then make sure that bullet "sizing" is not the problem...

Also consider that the wax on mini mags has consistently caused the rounds to stick in my bx-25 mags...

So what I am saying is it could be the ammo even though mini mags are premium quality and well respected for good reason doesn't mean they will work well for you...

Give CCI Standard Velocity and Remington Sub Sonic, Remington Golden bullets, Remington Thunderbolts a try and see if any of them work for you...

Odds are they will all chamber and go fully into battery every time as long as you don't have a mag/feed problem...

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Thank you, Zommy. Unfortunately the hardest thing to do is get ammo. I will try as I get different ammo.
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Yes you know you can still remove the barrel...clean the wax off your mini mags, measure the o.d. of the bullets prior to chambering for reference...and manually "size" the rounds by inserting them into the chamber and see how they are fitting...

If the rounds that have been cleaned and sized have no problems and the ones that haven't still won't go into battery you know that it's either the bullets or the chambering on the barrel that is the problem...

In my case...if I had started with a new factory gun and nothing but the Aquila Rifle Match ammo that doesn't work well for me...I would not know what the problem is...but since I have had lot's of brands/styles to try prior to and since using that ammo I know it's the bullets not the barrel...

If you have to force the rounds into the chamber then the bullets are too big or the hole is too small...

It's much easier to go ahead and remove the barrel to do this than to fumble with it...

Also...if you force the bolt into battery manually...then does the same round that didn't want to go in then extract easily...

Iowegan pre-sizes his ammo for accuracy...but you may have to do the same thing for cycling reliability...for now...and that is much easier to do with the barrel removed...

I plan to do the same thing exactly myself to get my $$$ out of that brick of Aquila...just haven't gotten to it yet...however, a while back when Iowegan told me/us about pre-sizing I did fiddle with it a bit...but that was before I had this problem...

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Sounds like you have already checked the bolt face and barrel end/chamber. The only other thing I can think of is check the bolt spring/rod and the rail the bolt rides on for anything unusual or rough while you wait on the new parts. It should fire CCI Mini-Mags and Federal Auto Match all day long with no ammo problems. Good luck.
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I had a rifle a few years back that had the same problem, the bold did not close properly, it turned out to be the barrel was the problem the extractor did not go into the grove far enough.

As your extractor is made of a hard steel did not show any burghs but was holding the bolt away from the face of the barrel try polishing the end of the extractor on some real fine grit paper,

Try with the original extractor and see if it works.

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Just to follow up on what Zommy said, it is probably an ammo issue, not a bolt issue. Just FYI the 10/22 bolt does not "lock forward". it is not a locking bolt. Being a blow back action it is simply pushed against the breech by spring power.

Check your ammo... I think Zommy's right.
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Well I installed the power custom firing pin, bolt handle and spring. Then I added the tacsol 16.5' threaded barrel. Took my time and made sure it was aligned perfect. Took it outside added 2 bx25 mags and started shooting the SAME (lol) cci mini mag ammo. I shot 100 rounds with zero failures of any kind!!!! Man this gun is fun to shoot now. Here is a list of everything I've done.

1 Polished bolt face

2 volquartsen extractor

3 Have radiused the bolt

4 polished the radius on the bolt and polished hammer and sear

5 added power custom firing pin and extended bolt handle

6 tacsol 16.5" threaded barrel (matte black)

7 Archangel deluxe target stock (black)

8 bipod

9 nylon sling

10 new bolt buffer pin(came with archangel stock)

11 auto bolt release

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