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Old April 26th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #1
 
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Why do so many change barrels?

I'm thinking of buying a bull barrel 10-22. From what I have read they are quite accurate. I would like to have both iron sights and a scope so I could use either. I would use it for targets and home protection. I also like the idea of buying a bull barrel pistol for targets. I'm retired so I do not have the money to work with I did when I was working, being on a fixed income now. I was hoping some of you might explain why so many change barrels when the stock barrel works so well. Thanks for your help. Be safe.



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I wouldn't change the barrel on any 10/22. They are tack drivers IMHO especially a bull barrel. You looking at the Target or Tactical?
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Why do so many change barrels?

Factory barrels are just fine IMO, I would suggest grinding out the barrel band to eliminate barrel contact and call it good... Factory tack driver.

Add a set of tech sights and you are GTG.
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Most Bull barrels are to improve accuracy but unless you're into competitive shooting or really into higher accuracy, it's isn't necessary and they can be quite heavy.

On another note, there are aluminum or composite bull barrels that are lighter than stock barrels if you're looking for weight reduction. I'm going with one of those for a 10/22 field build for the wife.

Plus bull barrels look cool.
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People like to reinvent the wheel.
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It really is preference more than anything. It's about 200 yards into the timber behind our house. A 10/22 stock is easy to handle and carry. I've shot competition 10/22 with bull barrels, and they just did not interest me. Fine for some folks; just too heavy for my taste, and I'm not sure I can or need to be any better with my 100 yard shots than I am now.
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For me, it's two-fold. the performance from factory barrels just isn't good enough. Fine for casual plinking but above that... The aftermarket barrels I use are all done with bettering performance. It's not necessarily a bull barrel either. Have a few sporter profile barrels that provide much better performance than the factory ones. A bull barrel doesn't automatically equate to accuracy. Where as most all of mine are done with a build in mind, the change of barrel is done for cosmetics as well. I go after an improvement be it on or off the range. Gotta add that when making the choice, weight isn't a consideration. For the most part it's to be a range gun so little carry time is involved. However, even a couple built for hunting weren't done thinking "I gotta have a light barrel". It's a couple pounds difference between the aluminum and steel ones. Not exactly a major amount of weight. If, and when, that small amount of weight stats becoming an issue for me, I'll look more into some exercise, gym membership or a wheel chair. I don't see it being anything but the last one.
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I'm thinking of buying a bull barrel 10-22. From what I have read they are quite accurate. I would like to have both iron sights and a scope so I could use either. I would use it for targets and home protection. I also like the idea of buying a bull barrel pistol for targets. I'm retired so I do not have the money to work with I did when I was working, being on a fixed income now. I was hoping some of you might explain why so many change barrels when the stock barrel works so well. Thanks for your help. Be safe.
There appears to be some sort of unwritten law that applies to 10/22's that requires buyers of 10/22's to immediately commence to changing out all of the parts until eventually they have spent $2,000 on a $200 rifle, and none of the original parts are even left in it.

Me? Mine is stock, I am a mediocre shooter, with 54 year old eyes. But I can hit some pretty small objects from 80 yards away using the open sights.

Nonetheless, if you do want to upgrade your rifle, the world is your oyster. I think if I wanted to be a better shooter with my 10/22, I would change the trigger first.
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My 10/22 was a good shooting thing in box stock form but like a lot of others, I wanted something more. I replaced the stock with one from Advanced Technology, changed out the mag release, swapped out the bolt release and had a trigger job done and this thing shoots great. Still using the factory barrel.
So I guess that shows that a bull barrel is not really a necessity, they look cool!!

It's a great gun and a lot of fun to shoot no matter what you do with it!
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The hammer forged bull barrel 10-22's I've owned were limited only by the shooter.

Two of the three I owned were stainless and outperformed Annie's and 40X Remingtons at more than one outing.
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bountybuddy, If your 10/22 meets your expectations for accuracy, there's no reason to swap barrels. I guess everyone has their own opinion of accuracy .... for some of us it means poking holes very close together in the bullseye at a considerable distance from a bench rest. For others, hitting a beer can a 25 yards is good enough. Then there's the "bling thing" where people swap parts just for appearance. Finally, it's the "because I can" factor where people find it satisfying to do their own gunsmithing. I can't fault any of the "reasons", even though they may not be my personal preference.

If you install a bull barrel (most are .920" diameter), the first thing you learn is ... the barrel will not fit in the factory stock. Two solutions ... route out the factory stock channel or buy a stock made for a bull barrel. The next thing you learn is ... you just traded one issue for another. By that I mean you may have improved accuracy but you increased the weight where the rifle is no longer a good field gun. You will also find bull barrels are more ammo fussy than standard factory barrels. This means you have to find ammo that will feed and function reliably yet will be accurate. IMO, investing a couple hundred bucks in a barrel then shooting cheap bulk pack ammo is counterproductive.

If you look at "builds" here on the forum or elsewhere, you will see about every configuration under the sun. Some people like the "tacticool look", some want all the bling they can get, some just want a basic Carbine .... and there's everything in between. 10/22s are much like a 1911 pistol or an AR-15 rifle where aftermarket parts abound so the options are endless. It really boils down to "what makes you happy". In my case, I wanted a bench rest rifle that was as accurate as possible. I invested in a Green Mountain match grade 20" bull barrel, a Fajen adjustable target stock, some internal work (ie trigger and headspace), then topped it with a decent scope. I feel I accomplished my mission, although it was not cheap plus I have to shoot expensive match grade ammo to squeeze out the best accuracy. My "build" weighs over 10 pounds so it wouldn't make a good hunting rifle ... not even a good plinker, just too heavy. I have three other 10/22s ... one is an old walnut stock Carbine, another has a factory Mannlicher stock, and the third is a Take Down model. They all shoot and function just fine with Federal bulk pack ammo so they meet my expectations for their intended purpose, although none are as accurate as my bench rest build.

Further ... I have a CZ 452-2 and a Savage MK-II (both are bolt action 22s) that will out shoot the Ruger 10/22 I built plus they cost me about half as much. If you are looking for optimum accuracy, this is something to think about before investing a lot of money in a 10/22 build.
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Why does a guy buy a Corvette ZR1 then upgrade the exhaust system, have it balanced and blue printed?? "JUST BECAUSE". I took a perfectly good shooting Ruger MkII and MkIII Stainless Comp Bull Barrel pistols and put on a custom 8" and 10" lightweight barrel. Why?





'cause the money was burning holes in my pocket!!

----- AND - - - - they shoot even better now!!!

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I've often wondered how many shooters "upgrade" their 10/22s before they even shoot them.

It's not just 10/22s, but AR-15s and many pistols. It's way too common to see a post along the lines of:

"I just bought a new _______ and put new springs in it along with a lightweight hammer, an___, a ____ and a ___. I hope to get to the range this weekend to shoot it."

Then of course Sunday afternoon you see a post bitching about how unreliable it was and how disappointed the shooter is with his new rifle. And he of course blames the rifle/pistol, the factory, etc.

If some one wants to "upgrade" (I've come to hate the word and it reminds me of bad first person shooter video games) their 10/22, that's fine, but I recommend they commit to shooting it in it's factory stock form for a few months and a couple thousand rounds before they consider what they might need or want to change on it.

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In 1983 I bought a used 10/22 made in 1976 and I've never seen a need to change the barrel - or anything else for that matter. It's now 37 years and the trigger is still great, the barrel is still accurate, and it's the only .22LR semi-auto I've ever owned that will eat anything I feed it. It's an early 10/22 with metal butt plate, walnut stock and aluminum trigger housing - features that disappeared in that order over the years.

I was a rifle instructor at a summer camp in the mid 1980s and I used it to introduce advanced students to semi-auto rifles - and it was also more accurate than any of the bolt action single shots the camp owned.

In terms of groups, it will not shoot with my Anschutz 64 Match, my Model 52B Sporter, my CZ-453 or my Remington 541S, but all of those are either match rifles or high end sporters and all of them will shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with match ammo.

It is however still capable of 2" groups at 100 yards with bulk ammo (and a bit less with match ammo) and with a 2-7x33 scope on it, it will hit 4" plates at 100, 125 and 150 yards with annoying regularity - basically 100% of the time at 100 yards and around 80% at 150 yards shooting prone resting on my range bag. It's just fun to shoot and it's light, handy and a joy to shoot in the field. Of the above mentioned rifles, only the CZ-453 comes close to that for field performance.

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Model 52, I was looking through your photobucket gallery and noticed that you and I have common interests, shooting and diving.
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