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Old March 27th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #1
 
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Converting a 10/22 to a benchrest target rifle

Hello, Bought a SS/composite stock 10/22. Haven't fired it yet. Pulled the trigger assembly out and sent it to Clark. Will be getting a metal trigger assemble, metal Clark trigger, and the Clark magazine release plus whatever work they do on the trigger assembly to crisp up the pull, etc.

With that out of the way, what do I need to do next to get a "tack driver" out of the deal? Have been looking at bull barrels. When talking to the Clark contact he suggested a blue bull barrel, non-fluted for the weight, and suggested I go to the shorter 16.25" length as he said the powder is burned up in the first 13 inches and a barrel length longer then that will just slow down the bullet. He did say people who go for the really long distances might go for the 21.5" barrel, but said for normal competition distances the shorter barrel is actually better. Clark barrels are probably nice but a lot of YouTube video guys are going Green Mountain or some other brand?

It seems after the barrel a new stock might be in order. Was looking at the ArchAngel, but a laminate wood thumbhole stock like what Clark sells also might be in order. The Clark guy said not to get a free-floating model, but instead one that has some support at the end of the stock. He said their stocks are free-floating other than the last couple inches where the wood is thicker and provides support.

I plan on polishing the receiver and bolt... For now I plan on using a left over 3-9X40 Bushnell scope.

Seeking advice on the barrel, stock, and whatever else I might not be thinking of.

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I use a thumbhole stock on a couple of mine. I really like them. The Green Mountain seems to be the "standard" that folks go to, unless you just want to drop a lot of cash for a small benefit.
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Check out Tactical Solutions barrels and stocks. I have the SB-X and am waiting on their stock.
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Not all the powder is burnt up in 13" unless it is standard velocity shorts or something like that.
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I use a thumbhole stock on a couple of mine. I really like them. The Green Mountain seems to be the "standard" that folks go to, unless you just want to drop a lot of cash for a small benefit.
Do you have a more expensive wood thumbhole stock or something like the ArchAngel? Have you put bull barrels on any of yours? What length?

I also forgot to ask about twist rate. I see that like AR's, they are offering different twist rates.
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Not all the powder is burnt up in 13" unless it is standard velocity shorts or something like that.
Do you have a study or something you can refer me to? There are some barrels as short as 12.75" being made and it seems weird they would want to waste powder. I would think the Clark guy would know what he is talking about. I realize different rounds have different amounts of powder at different burn rates. There are a lot of 16" barrels being made like Ruger's own Tactical series and they call one of them a Target version, but then their own "target" model is a 20" barrel.

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Check out Tactical Solutions barrels and stocks. I have the SB-X and am waiting on their stock.
It seems their barrels are aluminum? And the ones I could fine were over $200 so they aren't a deal. Seems they are more interested in making them look cool vs. target accuracy?
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I go with the 16.5" barrels from GM. Never had a bad one. Probably the best $$$ spent when the goal is to drive tacks!
None of my stocks are composite or synthetic, only wood or laminated wood.
I like the Tundra, Blaster, Barracuda and Boyd's Evolution.
Many other tweaks for the conversion are cosmetic or convenience....which are nice to have but not essential.



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Do you have a more expensive wood thumbhole stock or something like the ArchAngel? Have you put bull barrels on any of yours? What length?

I also forgot to ask about twist rate. I see that like AR's, they are offering different twist rates.
Go to google and type in stockies click on the first link its a company that builds the best laminated stocks in america straight up and plenty of synthetic and you can get almost anything you can dream up
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Look nice...seems on the top gun there isn't a way to provide forward barrel stability, i.e. free floating? The second one looks like it is fluted. Wouldn't you want to leave the metal for weight for stability? The Clark guy suggested skipping fluting as weight wasn't an issue for benchrest? Do you use it for run and gun or some other non-bench use?

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I go with the 16.5" barrels from GM. Never had a bad one. Probably the best $$$ spent when the goal is to drive tacks!
None of my stocks are composite or synthetic, only wood or laminated wood.
I like the Tundra, Blaster, Barracuda and Boyd's Evolution.
Many other tweaks for the conversion are cosmetic or convenience....which are nice to have but not essential.



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This is the stock I have on three 10/22s Extreme Ruger 10/22 L.R. & Magnum Laminated Thumbhole Stock - Right & Left Hand

I should point out I'm a lefty, so the idea of putting a stock on that was left oriented excites me. This company has stocks for lots of guns and is my personal goto for these.

I generally order my barrels and everything else from Midway USA. I'm not home right now so I can't check the barrel lengths I've used, but IIRC they are 20".

I strongly reject the notion that the powder is burnt up in 13" plus the idea that you gain nothig from a longer barrel has been dis-proven so many times, it's laughable. Projectile stabilization is the number one reason for a longer barrel. The projectile is NOT stabilized as soon as the powder is burned. Spending more time in the rifling of a bore gives a longer and truer trajectory of a bullet after it leaves the bore. Otherwise we'd be shooting 300 yards with 13" pistols. (at least not in 22lr)
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Go to google and type in stockies click on the first link its a company that builds the best laminated stocks in america straight up and plenty of synthetic and you can get almost anything you can dream up
That brought me to a site called stockysstocks and most of the stocks were in the $200+ range other than one on sale for $140 that they say you will need to work on for bit.

It seemed they were a reseller vs. a company that makes stocks? Did I get the right place? It seemed you were referring me to a company that makes stocks, not a reseller?

I don't want to spend as much for the stock as I did for the whole rifle new
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You should price stocks for a M1A. Cheap ones are $1k.
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That is the stock I found on Stockys site. It says they are $200 and out of stock. He was saying the longer barrels are to help with site radius which is a non-factor for scoped guns. This is a guy who helps people build custom guns so I would hope he had a clue.

He did point out that Jim Clark himself is using a standard Ruger walnut stock on his target rifle. It is the one in the video on his site.

It would seem with so many of these in use that someone would do a barrel, twist, and ammo comparison on a bench rest. Something that would eliminate the human factor. Since the barrels can be swapped out, it seems simple enough to use the same ammo, swap the barrel, and shoot groups and see which length of barrel and twist worked best. Perhaps several friends who all have various 10/22s could get together with the assumption that each of them had bought or was using something different.

I didn't have different barrels, but on my M4 I bought a wide variety (about 15-20) brands, grain weights, and bullet styles and did a comparison shoot to see which bullet gave me the best group. Since there are less variances in grain weight and probably fewer companies to choose ammo from, or at least good ammo, a person could do a similar test.

The other option would be for someone to start a list with submitted results. I .e. with a Green Mountain blue steel 20 1/16 twist with ammo X at 100 yards I got this group. And then someone else with a different version of the barrel and ammo could say what their best group was. After gathering the statistics some "winners" should start to stand out.

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This is the stock I have on three 10/22s Extreme Ruger 10/22 L.R. & Magnum Laminated Thumbhole Stock - Right & Left Hand

I should point out I'm a lefty, so the idea of putting a stock on that was left oriented excites me. This company has stocks for lots of guns and is my personal goto for these.

I generally order my barrels and everything else from Midway USA. I'm not home right now so I can't check the barrel lengths I've used, but IIRC they are 20".

I strongly reject the notion that the powder is burnt up in 13" plus the idea that you gain nothig from a longer barrel has been dis-proven so many times, it's laughable. Projectile stabilization is the number one reason for a longer barrel. The projectile is NOT stabilized as soon as the powder is burned. Spending more time in the rifling of a bore gives a longer and truer trajectory of a bullet after it leaves the bore. Otherwise we'd be shooting 300 yards with 13" pistols. (at least not in 22lr)
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You should price stocks for a M1A. Cheap ones are $1k.
I don't see how one stock can make a gun shoot better than another stock, especially benchrest. I realize barrel harmonics can make a difference on a bedded vs. non-bedded stock, or one that has an adjuster on it like the ArchAngel so you can change the tension on the barrel.

Seems to me that the barrel is free-floating or some degree of snugness. The other variables are more human ones than physical ones. Some might think they get a better trigger pull with a thumbhole or not, things like that.

Annie Oakley didn't have a $1000 stock
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