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Old October 15th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #16
 
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So if you put a TO-9 rail on your receiver and wanted to mount a Williams peep, would you need the one with the low line of sight or the high line of sight. I have a TO-9 rail and I'm wanting to use one of the Williams FP peep sights.



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Old October 15th, 2012, 09:16 AM   #17
 
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Threaded 10/22 barrel with iron sights?

Peep Sights or Scope?

If you are talking about mounting a peep sight the way I did mine that is easy the product is the Williams WGRS-54...the FP is a different story...

The hard part...if you use the WGRS-54 instead of the FP would be getting the front post the right height...I made my own...for me having the top of the post very close to 1" above the center of the bore...

If you are talking about the Williams FP series that is a different story and from what I have been able to tell by looking at the product photos in order to retain a well mounted scope rail like the T0-9 at the same time would be doable not w/o some modification...you MIGHT be able to p/u one of the rear holes existing...but you have to drill/tap the receiver to mount the FP anyway...so you might as well drill/tap holes in your scope rail to make it all work out...and IMO...you would be better off with the Weaver Multi-slot rail so you can use rings where needed...with the TO-9 rail and the FP sight you will have to make new slots in the rail for the scope rings...

Use this rail...it's higher too...easier to get rings that clear the FP...in any case a multi slot rail is what you would want to work with...

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSe...t+rail+10%2F22

There are actually THREE FP sights that fit the 10/22... two are referred to as "low" when one is actually "super low"...

If you want the rail/peep combo what will allow you to use the Williams front post for the factory barrel and have the peep at the rear of the receiver down on the sloped portion so a scope can mount at the same time you want the Williams Ace in The Hole...

In any case...I recommend figuring out what you want to end up with and why...then choose the rear sight you want...then find out what height front post will match it...then make sure you can get a post in the height range that will fit your barrel...do all that prior to purchasing any rear sight...

Go to Williams gun sight website and they have a ton of detailed information in their catalog pdf download...

http://www.williamsgunsight.com/

If you want a fixed peep on a solid picatinny rail with matching front posts get check out the Nodak NDS-26...just remember that for a scope you will have no choice but to use high rings to clear the peep...with the williams it is easy to remove the peep if need be and from using the Williams RU-22 I can tell you that the ACE in the hole would allow a much lower scope mount w/o removing the peep...

What I like about the WGRS-54 on the TO-9 rail is that I can easily remove it and quickly mount a scope with Weaver brand rings...AND I can slide the Peep forward on the rail to get the perfect eye relief for focus and sight picture with my front globe for any size aperture I want to use...

There are pics in the thread I linked you to...

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Old October 16th, 2012, 07:46 AM   #18
 
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Well I'm not really wanting to have a peep and scope both, just a peep only. Like I said I already have a TO-9 rail so I was wondering about mounting a Williams FP and since they have a high los and low los models I was wondering which would be best. The reason I like the FP series because they are available with finger knobs. I've been looking at the Williams Ace in the Hole and at Tech sights also. I guess I'll have to decide and I just wanted an option that is decent and is pretty much of a drop in type option. Thanks for the info.
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Yes the FP Low with Target Turrets is something that appeals to me a lot...I seriously considered getting one...however, I have come to the conclusion that for about the same money when it is all said and done... and infinitely less hassle...a small scope like a 1-4x20mm is way better and that the peep sights are best for up to 60yards in which case the need for target turrets goes away...maybe not for you...definitely for me...

The FP TT is lower than a scope...but goes up to 1.25" above the center of the bore which is IMO the excellent height range for iron sights...that is subject to opinion...some like lower...some like up high like a scope...

The picture of my WGRS-54 is in the center of the FP Low range...on the rail you have now...

That was my point...you have the rail and from what you said you wanted to keep it as well as saying you were interested in FP...in which case it appears you would have to at least modify that rail...

The FP High is up where a scope would be...center is the 1.5" above the bore range...

IF you can find or make a front post of the correct height you CAN put a Williams peep sight on that rail that comes off easy and still allows a scope to be mounted...

Why would you want to keep that rail if it interferes with the FP and you are not going to mount a scope on it...

That was a rhetorical question...I don't really want to know...this is a scope rings thread...

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The basic rule is to use the lowest rings to properly mount your scope. If it is elevation that you need then you need to purchase an elevated mounting rail.

The problem with using too high a ring has to do with proper cheek weld. Too many times, I go out to the range to see frustrated shooters getting very poor groups, only to see that they have mounted rings that are way too high. Then, I watch them shoot with virtually NO cheek weld!

In general, your 40mm objective means that a low ring should probably work OK. If you want to reach out and shoot consistently at 100 yards, then you should get an elevated rail. For this, I recommend a 15 MOA Picatinny rail. The other thing that you can do, is to compensate for the 10-22 'hump'. The best way to do this is to purchase some shim stock at Brownells, and shim the rail.

Personally, I did the following:
1. BSA 6-24 x 44mm Mil-dot scope
2. 15 MOA Picatinny rail
3. Millet windage adjustable (LOW BASE) Angl-Loc rings
4. Brownells shim stock.

Now, I can say that windage adjustable steel rings are not for everybody. However, if you properly install these things, you can pretty much get very close to zero with the scope innards set to dead center. This is what you want if you wish to have your rig sighted for the normal 50 yard shots, and the longer 100-200 yard shots, without running out of adjustment.
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X2...

I started out with a high scope and factory stock...very bad...

Went to opposite extreme...small scope...lowest possible mounting...that was because I wanted my scope eye level to be as close to the iron sights as possible which is where I had my cheek rest optimized...that worked out for not raising the iron sights higher than I liked them...but not ideal for scope eye level all things considered imo...

Wound up making my cheek rest even with center of bore which is max allowed for SBS matches...then found the perfect rail/ring combo for my 28mm scope to make the eye level dead perfect using the Ryan Cleckner method...

Working out extremely well...

Took quite a few trips around the block to get it there but it has arrived...it now has the ideal cheek weld...the scope is not lowest possible...it is actually the highest possible for the max allowed cheek rest height...but it is still lower than one can mount a 40mm scope...so "low" or lowest possible...is actually relative term...I mounted mine as high as possible and it's lower than most can go...

Ryan Cleckner on youtube describes the method...getting it perfected takes dedication...easily said...not as easily done...however, taken seriously...that method does work GREAT...

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Weaver quad medium on Weaver multi slot rail with 40mm AO scope...clearance to the .920 barrel is less than .01"...lens caps had to be modified...the multi-slot rail is approx .1" higher than the TO-9 rail...the Rifleman Low rings are approx. .06 higher than the Weaver low rings...specs say otherwise...pics and ruler tell the whole story...



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Very useful information, ZG, thanks! So if I have a .920 barrel, would my best option be to go with the Weaver multi-slot rail and Weaver Quadlocks in high?

....also, can't seem to find the multi-slot rail in silver on the MidwayUSA website - just in black...

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Your welcome of course...

What rail/rings you need for clearance depends on the scope...if you have more than 40mm you will need rings higher than the ones shown with that multi slot rail...and much higher if you have the TO-9 rail...

Midway gives the height specs on most of the rings...but you have to pay attention to the details and consider the height of the rail...

The Rifleman Rings are really nice imo...I just like the Weaver better due to the fact it is much easier to take the scope on/off...of course there are a ton of options out there...I just put pics of mine to help people choose...

Leapers has a ton of details on their rings and the best website of any of the manufacturers...

Leapers, Inc. - Hunting/Shooting, Sporting Goods and Security Gear

I almost bought some of their quick release rings...got the Weavers instead...they have rails too...
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Not being lazy ZG, but I'm new to rifles and even newer to the world of scopes, and the information you've posted is the most informative I've been able to find. Anyway, here's the specs on the rifle I'm planning on mounting a scope on:

It's an AcuSport K10/22-LVT with a tapered barrel (barrel is .920 at the breech, .705 at the muzzle, and .813 at the spot where the barrel and stock forend tip meet)



I will most likely purchase a Leupold VX-1 3-9x40mm



and am also considering the Mueller APV 4.5-14x40 mm (the price point and free sun shade are tempting)



in any case, both scopes have a 40mm objective...

With regards to clearance issues, do you think I'll be OK with a set of Weaver TO-9S top mount base (#48009) and Weaver Quad Lock Rings 1" High (#49056) on a 40mm scope?

Also, would the Leupold Rifleman 1pc Base (#57774)



work with the Weaver quads, and would it be a better option than the TO-9?

Thanks again for helping this newbie, ZG!

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That Leupold base is a good one. That is what I ended up getting. It is nicer then the Ruger one that comes with the gun. I bought both the Weaver # 49056 and 49055. Because I was not sure which height I would prefer. They were cheap enough from cheaperthendirt. I decided to go with the 49056 high one to have a little extra clearance. If you hold both ring sets together, they are not that different. The color match is good also.
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Not being lazy ZG, but I'm new to rifles and even newer to the world of scopes, and the information you've posted is the most informative I've been able to find. Anyway, here's the specs on the rifle I'm planning on mounting a scope on:

It's an AcuSport K10/22-LVT with a tapered barrel (barrel is .920 at the breech, .705 at the muzzle, and .813 at the spot where the barrel and stock forend tip meet)



I will most likely purchase a Leupold VX-1 3-9x40mm



and am also considering the Mueller APV 4.5-14x40 mm (the price point and free sun shade are tempting)



in any case, both scopes have a 40mm objective...

With regards to clearance issues, do you think I'll be OK with a set of Weaver TO-9S top mount base (#48009) and Weaver Quad Lock Rings 1" High (#49056) on a 40mm scope?

Also, would the Leupold Rifleman 1pc Base (#57774)



work with the Weaver quads, and would it be a better option than the TO-9?

Thanks again for helping this newbie, ZG!
1" high from base to saddle is way, way too high imo...but if you like it way up in the air for whatever reason like being able to look thru see thru rings like the ones in a picture already in this thread then go for it...just realize that getting a cheek rest to fit will not be easy...

The rings in the picture of the 40mm scope are these...

Weaver 1 Quad-Lock 4X4 Rings Matte Medium

And this is the rail they are on...

Weaver 1-Piece Multi Slot Tactical Weaver-Style Base Ruger 10/22 Matte

I would call this zero clearance...so tight some might fit barely and others not make it...

You have to pay attention to how the rings are labeled...

How much higher do you want yours compared to the picture of mine...add that in inches...add it to the .168 tall "spec" on those rings...get rings that are that tall from base to saddle (bottom of tube)...if it's a 1" tube...add 1/2" to that to get your projected eye level...

Then if I were you I would add a cheek rest...

Use the Ryan Cleckner method on YouTube for best results...

Brownel sells some nice pre-made products for that...
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