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Old August 18th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #1
 
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Solved (barrel was leaded) Damaged barrel only 2000 rounds through it

Turned out barrel was indeed leaded. Used CLP Powder Blast, cleaning rod, patches, and a bore brush and got all of it out. Looks great now, rifling is fine.

So I went to the range with my 10/22 thursday and my friend and I went through a box of Winchester bulk. (white box, 555 rounds). On Friday, I cleaned completely disassembled the rifle (minus the barrel, I have never removed it) and cleaned everything but the barrel. (which I was saving for today)

So while attempting to clean it today, I notice I could not feed the cord for my boresnake through. I figured it was really dirty. So I pushed a few patches through it using a plastic cleaning rod I have. Upon further inspection, I noticed that a little less than halfway down the barrel, the rifling is practically destroyed.

I removed the barrel from the receiver to get a better look and sure enough it wasn't grime, a portion of the barrel is extremely jagged and rough... Oddly enough, the whole barrel is not ruined, only a part of it.

When I reinstalled the barrel, I noticed that the barrel almost seemed a bit crooked, or at least the rear sight isn't perfectly centered on the barrel.

If the gun isn't a lemon, the only thing I can think of that I could have done is left some hoppes 9 in the barrel from the boresnake. I had soaked the bore snake in hoppes and then pulled it through several times. I believe I dried the snake off and then pulled it through a few more times. I can't recall exactly though, I've cleaned this gun just about every 500 rounds and I usually spend a few hours making sure it's clean.

The gun sat for several days before I last took it out, so I would think the hoppes would have dried if there was some left. There very well could have been a decent amount left in the barrel... I'm a new to firearms and I have been trying to read as much as I can and be as careful and safe as possible, but I am also picking this up as I go along.

I checked the barrel before I went out and it looked fine. Didn't look "wet" either.

While at the range, the only thing odd I noticed was a bit of a puff of smoke (maybe vapor from hoppes?) from the first shot. I don't really recall any odd noises or sound changes throughout our course of shooting.

We fired a whole box of bulk through it, so if the barrel was ruined from the first shot, then I have no idea how it kept shooting with the barrel like it is. The bullets would have been mangled from how rough the inside is... The accuracy seemed okay, this is my first gun so I'm not a very good shot yet. I managed a fairly tight group from 25 yards so I'm not really sure what to think right now.

I'm wondering if the gun is lemon. I've always sort of wondered, there just some quirks about the gun that just don't seem right. The stock for one has a large gap around the receiver, it does not fit snugly at all. Nearly all of the pins (trigger group included) have always been very loose, which is apparently normal. The stock being that "roomy" doesn't seem right. The rear sight seems like it sits at an angle and the barrel seems like it's pointing left inside the stock.

If it really is a bit crooked, it would make sense the rifling would be ruined. The bullets would be firing into the side of the barrel or at least rubbing on it excessively.

Here's a video I made for my other thread showing the stock. The jamming issue was solved. (New 10/22, FTEs and random ejection pattern)

I'm going to give Ruger a call Monday when they're open...hopefully they can fix it for me.

Examining it now, I wouldn't want to fire another round through it. If it was the liquid that damaged the barrel, I'm somewhat surprised the barrel didn't balloon up at all or do anything weird like that. It is a pretty thick piece of SS though... I'm under the impression that more than the barrel needs fixing. The gun has been function fine, but idk I have my suspicions...

Fortunately, no one was hurt. If it turns out the damage was my fault and I have to pay to fix it, I'll still be happy knowing me, my friend, and everyone else I was sharing the range with were not hurt.




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I know its difficult but can you take a picture of the inside of the barrel?
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If the barrel really is damaged I would have to say it's from your lack of cleaning, and cleaning correctly the barrel is the most important part to keep clean not put of till another day when you feel like it, 500 rounds is way to many to go without cleaning after 50 the barrel is filty guys around here take a cleaning rod to the range and run it down the barrel every so many shots.
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So I went to the range with my 10/22 thursday and my friend and I went through a box of Winchester bulk. (white box, 555 rounds). On Friday, I cleaned completely disassembled the rifle (minus the barrel, I have never removed it) and cleaned everything but the barrel. (which I was saving for today)

So while attempting to clean it today, I notice I could not feed the cord for my boresnake through. I figured it was really dirty. So I pushed a few patches through it using a plastic cleaning rod I have. Upon further inspection, I noticed that a little less than halfway down the barrel, the rifling is practically destroyed.

I removed the barrel from the receiver to get a better look and sure enough it wasn't grime, a portion of the barrel is extremely jagged and rough... Oddly enough, the whole barrel is not ruined, only a part of it.

When I reinstalled the barrel, I noticed that the barrel almost seemed a bit crooked, or at least the rear sight isn't perfectly centered on the barrel.

If the gun isn't a lemon, the only thing I can think of that I could have done is left some hoppes 9 in the barrel from the boresnake. I had soaked the bore snake in hoppes and then pulled it through several times. I believe I dried the snake off and then pulled it through a few more times. I can't recall exactly though, I've cleaned this gun just about every 500 rounds and I usually spend a few hours making sure it's clean.

The gun sat for several days before I last took it out, so I would think the hoppes would have dried if there was some left. There very well could have been a decent amount left in the barrel... I'm a new to firearms and I have been trying to read as much as I can and be as careful and safe as possible, but I am also picking this up as I go along.

I checked the barrel before I went out and it looked fine. Didn't look "wet" either.

While at the range, the only thing odd I noticed was a bit of a puff of smoke (maybe vapor from hoppes?) from the first shot. I don't really recall any odd noises or sound changes throughout our course of shooting.

We fired a whole box of bulk through it, so if the barrel was ruined from the first shot, then I have no idea how it kept shooting with the barrel like it is. The bullets would have been mangled from how rough the inside is... The accuracy seemed okay, this is my first gun so I'm not a very good shot yet. I managed a fairly tight group from 25 yards so I'm not really sure what to think right now.

I'm wondering if the gun is lemon. I've always sort of wondered, there just some quirks about the gun that just don't seem right. The stock for one has a large gap around the receiver, it does not fit snugly at all. Nearly all of the pins (trigger group included) have always been very loose, which is apparently normal. The stock being that "roomy" doesn't seem right. The rear sight seems like it sits at an angle and the barrel seems like it's pointing left inside the stock.

If it really is a bit crooked, it would make sense the rifling would be ruined. The bullets would be firing into the side of the barrel or at least rubbing on it excessively.

Here's a video I made for my other thread showing the stock. The jamming issue was solved. (New 10/22, FTEs and random ejection pattern)

I'm going to give Ruger a call Monday when they're open...hopefully they can fix it for me.

Examining it now, I wouldn't want to fire another round through it. If it was the liquid that damaged the barrel, I'm somewhat surprised the barrel didn't balloon up at all or do anything weird like that. It is a pretty thick piece of SS though... I'm under the impression that more than the barrel needs fixing. The gun has been function fine, but idk I have my suspicions...

Fortunately, no one was hurt. If it turns out the damage was my fault and I have to pay to fix it, I'll still be happy knowing me, my friend, and everyone else I was sharing the range with were not hurt.
Maybe what you're seeing is leading, take a Brass Borebrush thru it................................
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Maybe what you're seeing is leading, take a Brass Borebrush thru it................................
I think he left some crap in there he left soaking and see's leading now, and your right needs a good cleaning with a bore brush not that snake he uses.
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also being pretty new to all this, and also having 10/22s, i kinda have my doubts you've damaged the barrel in any way. i wouldn't want to stake my life or yours on that, but it just seems unlikely to me. i'd go with a combo of what others have said. if it was me (and i just now got done cleaning my 10/22 carbine--about to start on the 10/22 takedown), i would run some patches soaking with hoppe's 9 solvent through and let them sit for 15-20 minutes. i would then do as others have said, and run a copper brush through it fairly vigorously, breech to muzzle, breech to muzzle, a number of times (again, impregnating the copper brush with perhaps a tiny bit more hoppe's solvent. i'd then pull the bore snake through several times and see what that gets you. then if it looks good do the typical wet then dry wet then dry, until the patches come up clean. my somewhat novice guess is that you have a 'chunk' of crud in there that just hasn't come off/out yet. someone here on the forum posted a thread about something similar recently, and was able to get the crud out. i would not, of course, fire it again until you're satisfied with how things look, but this is all my two cents. hope it works out alright in the end.
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If the barrel really is damaged I would have to say it's from your lack of cleaning, and cleaning correctly the barrel is the most important part to keep clean not put of till another day when you feel like it, 500 rounds is way to many to go without cleaning after 50 the barrel is filty guys around here take a cleaning rod to the range and run it down the barrel every so many shots.
I seldom clean my barrel on the 10/22 and never have problems. I'm talking something like 5,000 rounds before cleaning. Now the reciever is a differant animal all together.
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I ran into a very bad leading problem on my smith 22a pistol, when i called my gunsmith, he told me that this can be caused by not cleaning between lead and copper. I used to just dump all my 22 rounds in a coffee can if i came back with a partial box, not anymore.
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I know its difficult but can you take a picture of the inside of the barrel?
I tried...but to no avail...


It looks pretty similar to this, which is obviously barrel leading. I guess a boresnake soaked in hoppes doesn't clean it well enough.

Seeing as the boresnake has probably not really accomplished a whole lot, I can see how the barrel could have gotten leaded. (put probably 2000 rounds through it, most of which is federal and winchester bulk ammo)

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If the barrel really is damaged I would have to say it's from your lack of cleaning, and cleaning correctly the barrel is the most important part to keep clean not put of till another day when you feel like it, 500 rounds is way to many to go without cleaning after 50 the barrel is filty guys around here take a cleaning rod to the range and run it down the barrel every so many shots.
I've read posts online by people who say they have never even cleaned the barrel on their 10/22 or even .22s in general. The barrel looked clean before I went out.

I've been cleaning this gun frequently, after every range session. 500 rounds is how much I shoot when I go. The most rounds I've shot through it before cleaning was 1000. We went to the range 2 days in a row and I cleaned everything as soon as I got home. I believe I ran a boresnake through before we went out the 2nd time..

I've read tons of posts from 10/22 owners who haven't even cleaned theirs.....period.. and they still works fine.. I personally know someone who has had a bolt action .22 for years and says he never cleans it.

I'm not being lazy or intentionally trying to neglect the gun. I've been cleaning it based on what I've read... I would say I clean the gun a lot more than a significant percentage of Ruger owners do...

I don't have a cleaning rod or bore brush, I'll go down to Walmart and pick one up I guess. I want a brass brush and not nylon?

An employee at Shooters World recommended a boresnake for cleaning the barrel and didn't mention a cleaning rod or bore brush at all... I haven't been going at this blindly, I've been reading a researching a lot and asking questions.

One of the main reasons I have not purchased cleaning rod yet is because I don't like the idea of running a metal rod through the barrel and you can damage the crown if you aren't extremely careful. Knowing that I'm new to firearms and I'm going to make mistakes, I decided not to get one. (and I also really haven't had the money) I know they make carbon fiber ones or something like that though, I'll see if my local walmart has anything like that.

Very few people at all said they use a bore brush, most people thought it was overkill for a .22

The closest thing I own to a cleaning rod at the moment is this. Evike.com Airsoft Guns - Accessories | Evike.com Airsoft Guns - Tools | Evike.com Airsoft Guns - BCR1 Flexible Cleaning / Unjamming DeJam Rod MK1. |

Obviously not intended for firearms... I've just been using it as an indicator if the boresnake is really cleaning the barrel. Using it to push patches through, it wasn't picking up any grime after I had boresnaked the barrel a few times. (if I don't boresnake the barrel, the patches always come out dirty)

I didn't buy it for the gun, it's just what I had laying around from my airsoft days. (I feel like I'm going to get flamed for using it...)

But anyway...looking at the barrel it does look like a bunch of crud. Initially I thought it was chunks of the rifling..as it's very rough and jagged inside. It's not the whole way through though, it's fairly close to the chamber. I'd say a good 12 inches of the barrel is still smooth, it's mainly just the first few inches of the barrel.

It's enough to where I can't even pull the boresnake cord through (not even the boresnake itself, just the nylon cord). It gets caught up and I can't force it through...


Is there a particular cleaning rod/bore brush anybody recommends? I'm looking at this http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/62985

Bore brushes don't have to be the same manufacturer as the cleaning rod do they?


I'm probably going to have to remove the barrel again, just so I don't push all that crap back into the receiver (which is already clean) The factory barrel screws seemed to have red loctite on them, do I need to use loctite? I know the last thing you want is the barrel coming loose while firing...

Thanks for the help

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It looks pretty similar to this, which is obviously barrel leading. I guess a boresnake soaked in hoppes doesn't clean it well enough.

Seeing as the boresnake has probably not really accomplished a whole lot, I can see how the barrel could have gotten leaded. (put probably 2000 rounds through it, most of which is federal and winchester bulk ammo)



I've read posts online by people who say they have never even cleaned the barrel on their 10/22 or even .22s in general. The barrel looked clean before I went out.

I've been cleaning this gun frequently, after every range session. 500 rounds is how much I shoot when I go. The most rounds I've shot through it before cleaning was 1000. We went to the range 2 days in a row and I cleaned everything as soon as I got home. I believe I ran a boresnake through before we went out the 2nd time..

I've read tons of posts from 10/22 owners who haven't even cleaned theirs.....period.. and they still works fine.. I personally know someone who has had a bolt action .22 for years and says he never cleans it.

I'm not being lazy or intentionally trying to neglect the gun. I've been cleaning it based on what I've read... I would say I clean the gun a lot more than a significant percentage of Ruger owners do...

I don't have a cleaning rod or bore brush, I'll go down to Walmart and pick one up I guess. I want a brass brush and not nylon?

An employee at Shooters World recommended a boresnake for cleaning the barrel and didn't mention a cleaning rod or bore brush at all... I haven't been going at this blindly, I've been reading a researching a lot and asking questions.

One of the main reasons I have not purchased cleaning rod yet is because I don't like the idea of running a metal rod through the barrel and you can damage the crown if you aren't extremely careful. Knowing that I'm new to firearms and I'm going to make mistakes, I decided not to get one. (and I also really haven't had the money) I know they make carbon fiber ones or something like that though, I'll see if my local walmart has anything like that.

Very few people at all said they use a bore brush, most people thought it was overkill for a .22

The closest thing I own to a cleaning rod at the moment is this. Evike.com Airsoft Guns - Accessories | Evike.com Airsoft Guns - Tools | Evike.com Airsoft Guns - BCR1 Flexible Cleaning / Unjamming DeJam Rod MK1. |

Obviously not intended for firearms... I've just been using it as an indicator if the boresnake is really cleaning the barrel. Using it to push patches through, it wasn't picking up any grime after I had boresnaked the barrel a few times. (if I don't boresnake the barrel, the patches always come out dirty)

I didn't buy it for the gun, it's just what I had laying around from my airsoft days. (I feel like I'm going to get flamed for using it...)

But anyway...looking at the barrel it does look like a bunch of crud. Initially I thought it was chunks of the rifling..as it's very rough and jagged inside. It's not the whole way through though, it's fairly close to the chamber. I'd say a good 12 inches of the barrel is still smooth, it's mainly just the first few inches of the barrel.

It's enough to where I can't even pull the boresnake cord through (not even the boresnake itself, just the nylon cord). It gets caught up and I can't force it through...


Is there a particular cleaning rod/bore brush anybody recommends? I'm looking at this 62985 - Tipton Deluxe Carbon Fiber Cleaning Rod .22-.27 36"

Bore brushes don't have to be the same manufacturer as the cleaning rod do they?


I'm probably going to have to remove the barrel again, just so I don't push all that crap back into the receiver (which is already clean) The factory barrel screws seemed to have red loctite on them, do I need to use loctite? I know the last thing you want is the barrel coming loose while firing...

Thanks for the help
Toss the bore snake! now go get a good cleaning rod and and brush or just a good cleaning kit made for 22 and brush out the barrel, the hobs is ok to use but don't let it soak in there all it's going to do is leave you a big dryed up wod of crap in there like you got now, run the brush through a few times then start on patches run patches through till they come out clean with a little gun oil on them, dirty as you have this barrel 20-30 or more may be needed, after clean leave a light film of oil in the barrel with a patch.
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It looks like your barrel is really leaded up. No doubt, it's probably fine underneath all that gunk. First off, a bore snake with or without Hoppes will not hurt your barrel.

If you don't already have them, go get yourself a cheap rifle cleaning kit and a bore light. Rifle cleaning kits have some sort of soft metal cleaning rods that come in 3 to 4 pieces.

Also get yourself some lead remover, such as Break Free's Powder Blast. Just be careful not to get it on the wood or plastic parts.

Soak the barrel down with your lead remover. Let it set about 30 minutes on all four sides, refreshing the lead remover before turning it over. Again, be sure not to get it on the wood, metal or plastic parts. If it gets on it, wipe it off immediately.

Then use your cleaning kit with the brass brush. Run it through several times and follow up with white patches until they begin to come clean. I would then follow up with your bore snake, a CLP soaked white patch and then a clean white patch.

Now check it with your bore light. If it doesn't look clean, repeat the cleaning, probably just using CLP this time.

I've recently switched over to FrogLube (FrogLube.com). If you use that, gunk and dirt won't be able to stick to your rifle. Cleaning for me now is just wiping down with clean cloths (microfiber work great and are cheap at computer stores). The stuff is fantastic. It's owned and created by an ex Navy SEAL. Proceeds help go to disabled vets. Seriously, it's the best thing for guns since smokeless powder! If you use FrogLube, you won't need all the other chemicals. It's a non-toxic, non-flammable cleaner, lubricant and protector and it's even USDA approved as edible and food quality. It smells like wintergreen. I have no idea how it tastes!

Good luck and keep us posted.
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If the barrel really is damaged I would have to say it's from your lack of cleaning, and cleaning correctly the barrel is the most important part to keep clean not put of till another day when you feel like it, 500 rounds is way to many to go without cleaning after 50 the barrel is filty guys around here take a cleaning rod to the range and run it down the barrel every so many shots.

There is such a thing as too clean. If you clean every 50 rounds, you're over cleaning. Do that and you'll likely need to shoot a few fouling shots to dirty it up before settling in for more serious shooting. I, and many others, will go hundreds of rounds before cleaning their 22lr barrel. Just as much as the barrel doesn't require scrubbing as often as many seem to think, not does the rest of the gun need to be stripped and scrubbed as many seem to believe.

Of course, use the better ammo and the grit and residue isn't an issue anyways.

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Hmmm, seem to be having quite good performance and I'm not doing the 50 round cleaning method. Very good performance actually. A magazine full in a dime @ 25 yards...quarters @ 50yds, quarters/ half dollars @ 100yds and that's without any after build tweaking. Guess I should clean 'em next time.

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There is such a thing as too clean. If you clean every 50 rounds, you're over cleaning. Do that and you'll likely need to shoot a few fouling shots to dirty it up before settling in for more serious shooting. I, and many others, will go hundreds of rounds before cleaning their 22lr barrel. Just as much as the barrel doesn't require scrubbing as often as many seem to think, not does the rest of the gun need to be stripped and scrubbed as many seem to believe.

Of course, use the better ammo and the grit and residue isn't an issue anyways.



Hmmm, seem to be having quite good performance and I'm not doing the 50 round cleaning method. Very good performance actually. A magazine full in a dime @ 25 yards...quarters @ 50yds, quarters/ half dollars @ 100yds and that's without any after build tweaking. Guess I should clean 'em next time.
Keep it cleaner and not only will you hit the dime and quarter you'll be able to shoot the eye out of the dead President

Not every gun shoots the same and if you really know your gun you will notice the first shot when the accuary changed cause it's dirty, it also depends on how dirty the ammo is your using some shoot cleaner than others, so with my gun and ammo it's 50 yours 100
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Trying running a rod through about every 50 rounds while at the range you'll find your accuracy will improve greatly, 5000 rounds with no cleaning is just damaging the barrel shooting through all that crude, are you going to keep shooting till all the rifling is full of lead so bad you'll never get it out? stop being so lazy and get it clean after every use maybe you might hit something next time.
The barrel doesn't keep getting dirtier and dirtier. It reaches a point after about 50 rounds and doesn't get any dirtier. I've seen more crowns damaged by excessive cleaning. I only clean barrels on rifles when I'm shooting corrosive ammo or on rifles where I will not be shooting it again right away. The receiver and trigger assemblies are what need to be cleaned.
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It looks like your barrel is really leaded up. No doubt, it's probably fine underneath all that gunk. First off, a bore snake with or without Hoppes will not hurt your barrel.

If you don't already have them, go get yourself a cheap rifle cleaning kit and a bore light. Rifle cleaning kits have some sort of soft metal cleaning rods that come in 3 to 4 pieces.

Also get yourself some lead remover, such as Break Free's Powder Blast. Just be careful not to get it on the wood or plastic parts.

Soak the barrel down with your lead remover. Let it set about 30 minutes on all four sides, refreshing the lead remover before turning it over. Again, be sure not to get it on the wood, metal or plastic parts. If it gets on it, wipe it off immediately.

Then use your cleaning kit with the brass brush. Run it through several times and follow up with white patches until they begin to come clean. I would then follow up with your bore snake, a CLP soaked white patch and then a clean white patch.

Now check it with your bore light. If it doesn't look clean, repeat the cleaning, probably just using CLP this time.

I've recently switched over to FrogLube (FrogLube.com). If you use that, gunk and dirt won't be able to stick to your rifle. Cleaning for me now is just wiping down with clean cloths (microfiber work great and are cheap at computer stores). The stuff is fantastic. It's owned and created by an ex Navy SEAL. Proceeds help go to disabled vets. Seriously, it's the best thing for guns since smokeless powder! If you use FrogLube, you won't need all the other chemicals. It's a non-toxic, non-flammable cleaner, lubricant and protector and it's even USDA approved as edible and food quality. It smells like wintergreen. I have no idea how it tastes!

Good luck and keep us posted.
Thanks a lot, that really helps!

For lubrication/cleaning the internals, I've been using CLP, but the frog lube sounds great. Even running the 10/22 fairly dry, it still gums up pretty good after a box of bulk ammo. It still functions fine, but I don't like shooting it with all that gunk inside.

Are the carbon fiber cleaning rods worth the extra money? They are significantly more expensive ($30+ vs around $10).

My barrel is made of SS and the metal cleaning rods I'm seeing are made of aluminum..which is a much softer metal, I don't really understand how you could damage the barrel crowning?..

I'm considering this kit, sound good?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Winchester...-24pc/20595702

This one comes with the bare essentials..
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Outers-Rif...g-Kit/20703053

I already have patches, hoppes 9, and CLP so I don't really need anything other than a cleaning rod and a bore brush.

Is the CLP powder blast safe for aluminum? (receiver) I'm not going to use it on the receiver, but I don't want to ruin the finish if some gets on there. Although, I have the stainless steel 10/22 with the synthetic stock so I don't know if there really is much of a finish on the receiver...

To be clear, Hoppes 9 isn't strong enough to unlead a barrel? I passed a couple of dry patches with my ghetto cleaning rod and it looks like the barrel isn't too bad, I just definitely need something to scrape it out. I think most of it can be cleaned out with patches, except for the chunks.


Thanks again!

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