did Ruger lower the value of my 10/22 or am I over reacting??This is a discussion on did Ruger lower the value of my 10/22 or am I over reacting?? within the Ruger 10/22 Rimfire forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; I know JaPez from another forum and I stand behind what he has stated here. I also believe that they should have returned every part. ...
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June 14th, 2012, 02:23 PM
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I know JaPez from another forum and I stand behind what he has stated here. I also believe that they should have returned every part. You can tell me that the plastic trigger assemblies are stronger than the old metal ones all day long, having dealt with both you will never convince me of it. I just restored an old International, I re-blued what was blued I Duracoated what was painted black. I took the time to steam the dents out of the wood and made a beautiful rifle out of it. Before this I had no sentimental attachment to the rifle, my nephew had received it from my Father who had bought 4 of them for the grandsons many years ago. 2 of the 4 have already suffered from cracked receivers. I made the rifle better than brand new and didn't replace any of the original pieces. I think Ruger should have either sent all the original pieces back or none of them back. I know there is a market for the original metal trigger assemblies. I don't see the market for the late model plastic trigger assemblies. You ended up with a nice shooter, no its not the rifle that you shot with your Dad but I am sure it basically is a brand new 10-22 with an old serial number, I do find it hard to believe that if the barrel wasnt shot out, that the trigger assembly was worn out. Just my 2 cents. Enjoy the rifle and make memories with your son with it. It wont matter to him that it is not the same trigger that grandpa shot, to him it will always be grandpa's rifle.
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June 14th, 2012, 06:20 PM
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before and after and the parts they sent back to me.
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June 14th, 2012, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by clint80651  before and after and the parts they sent back to me. | Sell the returned parts that are in working order and buy a vintage trigger with the money.
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June 14th, 2012, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr40ken there is a fine line between passion/obsession..............................
Ruger did what you asked. I would worry about those that foucs on narrow negative views. I would be happy as a 5 year old on Christmas Ruger gave such great customer service and "shined up" the old girl! | I would be very disappointed but mainly with myself for not telling them it was important to fix it with vintage parts. But then I'm obsessed, some say possed. Quote:
Originally Posted by BenjiEDF I think you're overreacting. They did all that work for you free of charge, they even paid for the shipping? On a 50 year old gun?  | I believe 50 years falls within a lifetime warranty. I wouldn't be mad at Ruger but rather the situation. But I would also buy vintage parts and replace the newer parts.
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June 14th, 2012, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr40ken there is a fine line between passion/obsession..............................
Ruger did what you asked. I would worry about those that foucs on narrow negative views. I would be happy as a 5 year old on Christmas Ruger gave such great customer service and "shined up" the old girl! | +1. Could not agree more.
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June 14th, 2012, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 303lithgow I would be very disappointed but mainly with myself for not telling them it was important to fix it with vintage parts. But then I'm obsessed, some say possed.
I believe 50 years falls within a lifetime warranty. I wouldn't be mad at Ruger but rather the situation. But I would also buy vintage parts and replace the newer parts. | No way. The expectations are outside of the bounds of reason. You send them a complete rifle and they make it servicable again. That is what a warranty is, not spare parts free of charge for life... Also there should be no expectation of "vintage" parts, or this notion of sentimental value. No business can offer that free of charge. I call shinnanigans!
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June 14th, 2012, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjiEDF No way. The expectations are outside of the bounds of reason. You send them a complete rifle and they make it servicable again. That is what a warranty is, not spare parts free of charge for life... Also there should be no expectation of "vintage" parts, or this notion of sentimental value. No business can offer that free of charge. I call shinnanigans! | I agree. But if you mentioned you would prefer vintage parts they MIGHT have been able to use other parts taken off another repaired rifle.
My hobby is collecting WWII rifles and pistols and I go to great effort to make sure all screws and parts are time period. If it should have a round headed screw and has a flat screw I will replace it.
Shenanigans? It wasn't deceitful, underhanded, or otherwise questionable was it?
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June 14th, 2012, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Redleg I would absolutely not care. Frankly, the plastic versions of these parts are better anyway. This "plastic versus metal" issue comes up a lot and it is not based on objective reality. It is not as though the action or any of the moving parts were turned into plastic. This same argument is made all the time for pistol guide rods. Guys scream that they want the old metal ones even though the new plastic ones do not get bent or crimped, are self-lubricating, and work better in dusty environments.
| I realize that people must convince themselves of many things ...including that plastic parts are better than metal ....but the funny thing is that I have NEVER seen anyone wanting to trade a metal part for plastic part.
On the topic of plastic parts ...I work on bank vaults and safes as part of my job. I had a bank get new under counter teller stations. They went the cheap route and ended up with combination locks on their coin vaults that had plastic parts inside ...3 out of 7 failed within the first 2 months. Their old ones (all metal) had worked flawlessly for 30 years. . | |
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June 14th, 2012, 08:55 PM
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Yup the value of your gun is gone, it's hard to look a gift horse in the mouth after they did a fine job refinishing it for you for free, but the gun would have been worth more left alone, with all the new parts it's really not your old gun anymore anyway, sorry to be blunt but that's how I see it.
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June 14th, 2012, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 303lithgow Shenanigans? It wasn't deceitful, underhanded, or otherwise questionable was it? |  No no... I didn't get that feeling at all, shinanigans was the wrong word for sure. I just meant it in jest. As for the resale value question, I'll take the refurbished gun anyday of the week and would be happy with that outcome. I'll admit I'm having a knee jerk reaction to this whole situation, but I think Ruger gave outstanding service here. Just my .02
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June 14th, 2012, 09:09 PM
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Im torn on this one. I think Ruger really tried to do the right thing and may have overdone it a bit. I would have liked the old parts back as well. I guess you cant really look a gift horse in the mouth though.
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June 14th, 2012, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjiEDF No no... I didn't get that feeling at all, shinanigans was the wrong word for sure. I just meant it in jest. As for the resale value question, I'll take the refurbished gun anyday of the week and would be happy with that outcome. I'll admit I'm having a knee jerk reaction to this whole situation, but I think Ruger gave outstanding service here. Just my .02 | Thats the bad part -Ruger gave outstanding service but got it wrong. Or did they? Maybe the next guy would be bragging about the new trigger he got.
I recently sent a Henry back for repairs and the only thing I got back that I sent was the receiver, the barrel, and one damaged screw. They replaced everything else including the stock. What I got back was a dark rich walnut stock. But this rifle was only ten years old and the parts had not changed. I emailed them and ask for a replacement screw and they sent me one free and threw in a decal.
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June 15th, 2012, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Catman I realize that people must convince themselves of many things ...including that plastic parts are better than metal ....but the funny thing is that I have NEVER seen anyone wanting to trade a metal part for plastic part.
On the topic of plastic parts ...I work on bank vaults and safes as part of my job. I had a bank get new under counter teller stations. They went the cheap route and ended up with combination locks on their coin vaults that had plastic parts inside ...3 out of 7 failed within the first 2 months. Their old ones (all metal) had worked flawlessly for 30 years.
. | On the subject of plastic parts. The B2 bomber is mainly "plastic". Great aircraft! All of our fighters have large amount of "plastic".Many airliners have "plastic" main wing beams. Plastic is saving thousands of lives on our roadways. It has it's place, firearms is one of 'em. Y'all need to get used to it. I like my "plastic" stock on my Mini. My SR4 is one of the finest running hadguns I've fired. I know of polymer/synthetic aircraft parts that have functioned flawlessly for over 40 years.
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June 15th, 2012, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sr40ken On the subject of plastic parts. The B2 bomber is mainly "plastic". Great aircraft! All of our fighters have large amount of "plastic".Many airliners have "plastic" main wing beams. Plastic is saving thousands of lives on our roadways. It has it's place, firearms is one of 'em. Y'all need to get used to it. I like my "plastic" stock on my Mini. My SR4 is one of the finest running hadguns I've fired. I know of polymer/synthetic aircraft parts that have functioned flawlessly for over 40 years. | And after 50 years they will retire the B2. I have rifles 100 years old that still shoot. So yes plastic has its place for shorter term use.
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June 15th, 2012, 06:44 AM
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100 years? I ain't gonna be a round so what's it matter. great great grand kids prolly won't care.
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