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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:33 AM   #1
 
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10/22 carbon fiber barrels

I'm starting my first 10/22 build, and I want to put a carbon fiber bull barrel on the rifle because of the weight savings. I was wondering if any members know where the best place to get one would be? thanks in advance.



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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #2
 
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The 10-22 is a light firearm to begin with. How much wulla carbon fiber barrel save on a barrel that light to begin with. You only save about a pound on a 375 ha and h rifle.
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... How much wulla carbon fiber barrel save on a barrel that light to begin with....
Probably not much, if any, if you're talking about any of the factory barrels.

Ruger Std. bbl = 28 oz.

But if you're going to upgrade anyway, and you're into a .920 dia barrel:

Clark stainless .920 x 16.5" bull bbl = 44 oz.
Clark stainless .920 x 16.5" fluted bull bbl = 37 oz

Carbon fiber barrels:

Kidd "Lightweight" carbon fiber/stainless bbl = 30 oz.
Magnum Research carbon fiber bbl = 13.04 oz.

YMMV
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There's good ones and then there's garbage - take your pic. One will cost you plenty the other, well, you get what you pay for. Volquartsen is the way to go if Carbon Finer is what you gotta have. Avoid Butler Creeks attempt.

Now...that said, there's other ways to go about this , have a fairly light weight and still have good performance. Even with a steel or stainless barrel, weight isn't all that much. There's also the aluminum ones.

First build so let me give a bit advice after having 15 or so under my belt built.

• Decide what you want when it's done and what is the more important aspects, accuracy, looks, happy medium of those two.
• Decide on your budget. You'll most often get what you pay for.
• Start looking, looking, reading, looking, searching, reading to see what's out there available. You'll get ideas of what you do like and what you don't. take those ides, go back to the budget and start narrowing the choices down. Remember the big fancy brands are not necessarily the way to go. You often are paying the extra $ for the name.
• Match components. Getting that top-level barrel is nice but with a poor trigger, it's wasted. The reverse is true also. Don't bother with a Kidd trigger if you're only gonna settle for a A&B barrel. Optics go with this too. Match components so $ isn't wasted and the potential isn't wasted.
• Buy and assemble.


Been there, done this a bunch of times so specifics...ask away.
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I just want a rifle that is accurate and cheap to shoot. I'm definitely putting a bull barrel on the rifle so that is why I'm looking at a carbon fiber one. From what I've read so far Volquartsen is the cream of the crop, and where I'm leaning. Also, a Timney trigger is in the plan as well. I've actually already ordered a Hogue stock to replace the factory one.

What are your recommendations for a scope that is the one area I don't know what I want?
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Well, cheap to shoot is quite relative if you're going with a VQ. They're very likely shoot best with the better ammo and not the cheap bulk stuff. Just something to keep in mind if $15/50 rounds isn't "cheap to shoot". Not saying the bulk stuff won't shoot but it kinda goes back to buying a top of the line barrel and then only feeding it cheap ammo - not gonna get the full potential.
As for the Timney trigger...It's one I've yet to try but have read favorable reviews on them. Early ones occasionally had issues I guess, but all fixed now. For the $, they're a pretty decent deal.
Scope...I prefer Burris but have Nikons as well for the better builds and Simmons' upper stuff for the plinkers. Since you're looking at weight as a main concern, I'd possibly start with the Burris Short Magnum series or maybe their Timberline models if ya wanna save a bit. Leupold makes some nice compact ones as well.
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I guess I should of clarified what I meant by cheap to shoot. I was referring to ammo cost. Something like CCIs which are around $7/100. As far as the rifle cost I'm willing to spend some to end up with a quality rifle.

Thanks for your input. I've heard good things about Burris scopes so I think I might start looking at them.
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Ok so you have your eye on the cheap $7/100 CCI stuff. What's to say that's the ammo, the barrel will like? Besides, you won't get all the VQ has to offer with cheap ammo. Be kinda like running regular gas in a Ferrari with retreads. If you really want the performance and are willing to spend the $ for a GOOD barrel, a decent trigger and scope, why buy budget ammo? If the budget ammo is an important factor in all this, save a bit more $ and go with a bit more affordable choice of a barrel.
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Please don't take any of what I'm saying out of line. I'm not trying to be a 'jackass'. It sounds to me like you need to shoot what you have for 5-10K rounds and figure out what you want. Too many kids these days like to brag about their 'build' (since when did the word "build" become a noun ) They just pick out a bunch of expensive or cool looking parts from a website or catalog and wonder why their new 'wonder rifle' isn't want they had hoped. But ...at least they have the 'brag factor'. Now ...having said that ...I'm not against customizing a gun (or anything else) I just hate to see people waste a lot of money because they got caught up in the enthusiasm.


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I'm starting my first 10/22 build, and I want to put a carbon fiber bull barrel on the rifle because of the weight savings...
Is 'lightweight' going to be the 'theme' of this weapon and are you going to carry the 'lightweight' 'theme' throughout the rest of the gun. What use is the gun going to see that necessitates a 'lightweight' build?

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The 10-22 is a light firearm to begin with. How much wulla carbon fiber barrel save on a barrel that light to begin with. You only save about a pound on a 375 ha and h rifle.
+1 I agree totally. IMO a little weight on the barrel end is a good thing. The only way I'd want to shoot a 'ultra lightweight' rifle is from a bench.

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There's good ones and then there's garbage - take your pic. One will cost you plenty the other, well, you get what you pay for. Volquartsen is the way to go if Carbon Finer is what you gotta have. Avoid Butler Creeks attempt.

Now...that said, there's other ways to go about this , have a fairly light weight and still have good performance. Even with a steel or stainless barrel, weight isn't all that much. There's also the aluminum ones.

First build so let me give a bit advice after having 15 or so under my belt built.

• Decide what you want when it's done and what is the more important aspects, accuracy, looks, happy medium of those two.
• Decide on your budget. You'll most often get what you pay for.
• Start looking, looking, reading, looking, searching, reading to see what's out there available. You'll get ideas of what you do like and what you don't. take those ides, go back to the budget and start narrowing the choices down. Remember the big fancy brands are not necessarily the way to go. You often are paying the extra $ for the name.
• Match components. Getting that top-level barrel is nice but with a poor trigger, it's wasted. The reverse is true also. Don't bother with a Kidd trigger if you're only gonna settle for a A&B barrel. Optics go with this too. Match components so $ isn't wasted and the potential isn't wasted.
• Buy and assemble.


Been there, done this a bunch of times so specifics...ask away.
There is A LOT of good info / wisdom here. (wisdom is something that costs you $$$ ...not something you read in a book wisdom is also something you 'lived')

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I just want a rifle that is accurate and cheap to shoot.

What are your recommendations for a scope that is the one area I don't know what I want?
You already have an accurate rifle that is cheap to shoot out of the box.

Scopes. I really like Nikon / Leopold. One I will recommend that is going to catch you by surprise is the RWS air gun scope. Air gun scopes are built tougher than a regular rifle scope. An average high velocity airgun will destroy a regular rifle scope faster than a .458 Win Mag. The RWS offers a 4-12 x 50mm with lit MilDot reticle with 7 steps of illumination PLUS you get adjustable objective and a 30mm tube. You can also find them for ~$125.

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Well, cheap to shoot is quite relative if you're going with a VQ. They're very likely shoot best with the better ammo and not the cheap bulk stuff. Just something to keep in mind if $15/50 rounds isn't "cheap to shoot". Not saying the bulk stuff won't shoot but it kinda goes back to buying a top of the line barrel and then only feeding it cheap ammo - not gonna get the full potential.
As for the Timney trigger...It's one I've yet to try but have read favorable reviews on them. Early ones occasionally had issues I guess, but all fixed now. For the $, they're a pretty decent deal.
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I guess I should of clarified what I meant by cheap to shoot. I was referring to ammo cost. Something like CCIs which are around $7/100. As far as the rifle cost I'm willing to spend some to end up with a quality rifle.
Seriously ...if you can't afford 'quality' ammo ...you really can't afford the premium barrel.

Accuracy is fun to talk about ....but most people don't truly understand what is needed ...nor are they willing to 'follow through'. If you are only going to feed your 10/22 'plinker' ammo ...dohttp://cdn.rugerforum.net/images/smilies/frown.gifn't expect 'competition' accuracy. Everything has to work together. Even if you are willing to spend $15-20 on a 50rd box of ammo ...no matter how much you spend on a 10/22 it will never shoot in the league with an Anschutz Olympic match rifle. (I'm not a heretic)

OK ...here is a bit of wisdom that won't cost you anything. It has cost me plenty. I've been shooting for 35 years. I'll begin by saying that I was an Olympic hopeful in '84 and '88 for the Small Bore Rifle team. The ONLY thing that is important to me is accuracy. It is an obsession. I have a pair of Anschutz match rifles that I have well over $10K invested in. They will shoot 'one hole' at 50m all day ...if you feed them good ammo. I have also tried to build a 10/22 and 77/22 for a bench rest target gun and was met with disappointment. I honestly had more 'fun' when I was a kid and just went out shooting cans / bottles.



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Ok so you have your eye on the cheap $7/100 CCI stuff. What's to say that's the ammo, the barrel will like? Besides, you won't get all the VQ has to offer with cheap ammo. Be kinda like running regular gas in a Ferrari with retreads. If you really want the performance and are willing to spend the $ for a GOOD barrel, a decent trigger and scope, why buy budget ammo? If the budget ammo is an important factor in all this, save a bit more $ and go with a bit more affordable choice of a barrel.
Again ...very good points. Too many people are under the impression that since they are not feeding the gun 'bulk Blazer' that they are feeding it 'good ammo'. You MUST be willing to experiment (in controlled experiments) with ammo and figure out what your barrel WANTS. With my match rifles I have different ammo I shoot depending on temperature. (but as I said this has become an obsession) FWIW ...my Ferrari always gets Chevron premium high octane fuel ...and runs on Pirelli tires.


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Accuracy is fun to talk about ....but most people don't truly understand what is needed ...nor are they willing to 'follow through'. ...no matter how much you spend on a 10/22 it will never shoot in the league with an Anschutz Olympic match rifle. (I'm not a heretic)

OK ...here is a bit of wisdom that won't cost you anything. It has cost me plenty. I've been shooting for 35 years. I'll begin by saying that I was an Olympic hopeful in '84 and '88 for the Small Bore Rifle team. The ONLY thing that is important to me is accuracy. It is an obsession.
There in lies the BIG difference. Anyone serious, or obsessed, with such a level of performance wouldn't go to this route to begin with hopefully. Apples and grapes.
Not everyone that want's to build one up (and "build" is recognized as a term for these projects, slang or not, didn't know this was English class) does so to compete at Olympic levels. Many do it for the fun of the build - used that term again - the fun of just doing it themselves and to make their range sessions have a bit better results.
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There in lies the BIG difference. Anyone serious, or obsessed, with such a level of performance wouldn't go to this route to begin with hopefully. Apples and grapes.
Not everyone that want's to build one up (and "build" is recognized as a term for these projects, slang or not, didn't know this was English class) does so to compete at Olympic levels. Many do it for the fun of the build - used that term again - the fun of just doing it themselves and to make their range sessions have a bit better results.
I've been to local matches over the years and when I pull out the 'serious' toys I've had people try to have me disqualified because they can't 'compete' with this level of 'toy'.

Funny story ...you have to remember I'm in the Deep South and we have a plethora of rednecks around here that make a habit of letting 'their mouth write a check that their butts can't cash'. I used to hang out at the local flea market trading guns. Almost every week there would be some 'over confident' redneck that would get to bragging about his grandpa's .22 with which he can 'light matches' at 100 yards with open sights. I'll quietly ask if he'd like to make a little 'wager'. I say that I can 'shoot the bottom out of a coke bottle ...through the neck at 50'. They at that point think they can 'out bet me' when I call their bluff. Sometimes they have to go get their gun ...most of the time it is in their gun rack. They will want to raise the stakes ...$500 or 1000 to try to get me to 'chicken out' or 'clean my plow'. By this time the locals realize I have found another 'rube'. They cover any bets that I don't want. You should see the look on the other shooters face when I open up my case. They immediate start to back out ...saying that they can't outshoot "that" Then some would want to fight saying that I was just 'hustling' them. We all reminded them that they are the ones that made the claims. (heck ...I can't even see a match at 100yd ...I'm lucky to see one with a scope )

As far as the term 'build'. Sorry, didn't mean to come off as an English teacher. Up until a year or two ago I heard people say they were "going to build a custom rifle". or they have been "building a rifle over the off season". It is only in the last couple of years that the word 'build' had been being used as a noun. This also seems to be about the same time that people started calling a few 'snapshots' with a cell phone a 'photoshoot'. (mainly in the car forums).


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I've been to local matches over the years and when I pull out the 'serious' toys I've had people try to have me disqualified because they can't 'compete' with this level of 'toy'.



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Ok, but that still doesn't mean everyone here or any forum that enjoys building up 10/22 is in it for that level of competition or the bragging rights. It's not always about outshooting the next redneck running one's mouth. It's very simply enjoying some time in our homes and then later at the range. If we wanted the coke bottle shooting, we'd be at a more appropriate forum discussing such instances with like mind individuals.
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OK ...I'm going to sign off for now. This is a great forum with a great bunch of people. Apparently, I'm not able to express my thoughts the way I intend them to come out. I've had a lot of changes to some of my meds lately. I have to watch this in real life too.

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I was actually enjoying our stories and am going to try some coke bottles this weekend. Any other fun suggestions? Shooting the caps off of plastic bottles at 35yds standing got boring.
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