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Old February 16th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #1
 
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SR 22 vs M&P 15-22

Not sure if this was covered in another post, but am trying to decide between Ruger's SR 22 and Smith and Wesson's M&P 15-22.

I'm told the 10/22 platform is extremely reliable and long tested, but very difficult to fieldstrip with the SR 22 stock. I see that it is drilled for additional rails and can come with a flash supressor on the barrel. It looks to incorporate more metal in the construction. No sights come with gun.

The M&P breaks down just like other ARs, and is extremely easy to clean. Comes with front and rear sights, has 4 rails as part of the barrel cover, but is mostly polymer in construction.

Any thoughts from those that have shot or handled either?

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Old February 16th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #2
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You need to decide whether you want a .22 AR, or a 10-22 that looks like an AR.

I chose the M&P and have NO regrets.
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The biggest reason I would go with the Ruger is the 10/22 mags. They are everywhere, reliable to a fault, and then there is the new tri-mag. OMG, I want a tri-mag. The Smith is a fun gun, but I would buy the flash suppressor model that is a threaded barrel and pick an Archangel or Tapco, or similar if you must have rails on a .22 rifle. I like the rear sight replacement that has the built in laser over any rail mount option. And I see no practical use for a light on a .22 rifle but that is just me. So I won't bash the Smith as I think it looks like a plenty fun rifle if you want a close to AR format. As to cleaning, my decade old 10/22 continues to run with minimal cleaning effort. Once in a while I remove the stock and hose it down with break cleaner and then oil it back up. Works like a champ. And I like the similar M1 Carbine kind of look over the AR look but again that is personal preference.
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Because I love my Rugers, I am looking for reasons to lean that direction. Anyone have suggestions for sights (folding or fixed)?

Probably will want to add top rail to extend the full length, sights and a vertical grip below (so I guess this means buying the top and bottom rail).
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I guess it depends on what you want it for ?

If you want a "tacticool" .22, it really doesnt matter - but if you are looking for cheap training on the AR platform, the SR dont cut it in my opinion.

I`ve been down that road with a Nordic Componet set and a 10/22, while more precise than my CMMG drop in bolt in my AR, the traning value for what I was after was better settled with a less precise conversion kit.

For the time being my 10/22 rests in a BC thumbhole stock, with a 1,5-5X FM scope and is used for general shooting. The AR/CMMG combo is used for more pointed training.

YMMV and just my 2 cents...
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I'm curious why I would need an inaccurate conversion over a more accurate but dissimilar .22 rifle? You need to practice with the AR some anyway and for cheaper practice I would want something that was accurate so I can SEE the fruits of my practice.If you can't practice accurately it's not really practice just throwing lead down range. IMO
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I bought the MP15-22 for my wife about a little over a year ago. To date it probably has between 6000 to 7000 rounds through it without a problem. She's only 4' 10" and enjoys shooting .22lr's off hand but proper fit was always a problem for her. She looked at both and picked the S&W over the SR because of weight. The Smith is several pounds lighter.
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Having seen both side by side I went with the Sr22 and never looked back it is a fun shooting gun and if you remove the block from the front of the handguard very accurate. The downside is you need to get the Ruger rails as the holes are drilled different the common rails
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I'm curious why I would need an inaccurate conversion over a more accurate but dissimilar .22 rifle? You need to practice with the AR some anyway and for cheaper practice I would want something that was accurate so I can SEE the fruits of my practice.If you can't practice accurately it's not really practice just throwing lead down range. IMO
I see I could have elaborated a bit in my initial response, as to what I meant by training.

For me, training with the AR platform, means to train general weaponhandling of the weapon - malfunctions, magswaps, "dynamic" shooting - more often than not against the clock, with an Aimpoint and a 3X Magnifier.

Doing this on a 10/22 platform are so different from the AR in weapon handling protocol that I feel that its not worth it, for me.
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Because I love my Rugers, I am looking for reasons to lean that direction. Anyone have suggestions for sights (folding or fixed)?

Probably will want to add top rail to extend the full length, sights and a vertical grip below (so I guess this means buying the top and bottom rail).
I love my sr-22. Its nice to have to buy only one set of magazines that i can use with two of my guns, I also have a 10/22 compact carbine. The fact thats its built on the 10/22 action is what convinced me to buy it over the M&P 15-22. Thousands of aftermarket parts will fit my SR-22, how many parts are there to modify a S&W 15-22?

One thing to consider though, is if you want to use iron sights, the sr-22 isnt the way to go. due to the way the handguard is mounted (2 screws, both below the bbl) even when you add the ruger top rail, you arent going to get good accuracy because any time you touch the handguard, you are changing the POA. This is also the reason removing the bbl support block increases accuracy. because of the way the handguard is mounted, with the bbl support bock installed just touching the handguard changes the POI.....

If you get the SR-22, use a scope or a red dot sight. I'm trying to figure out a way to use irons on mine using an ar-15 gas block rail, but the distance between the bbl and top rail is greater on the SR-22 than on an AR-15 so im not sure there will be enough elevation adjustment to be abe to use them, I am (slowly) gathering info to make my final decision... I have not yet bought any iron sights, because I dont want to spend $50-$100 on them if its not going to work... I think I will most likley end up getting a steel folding front sight and cutting it and welding in a piece in the middle to raise it up, but first i have to get exact measurements, and just havent found the time to do that yet.....
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My bro-in-law has the Smith, it is definitely a nice shooter. Mimmicks the AR controls, so it is a good choice if you need an AR clone. My 10-22 with a tricked out tapco is a better plinker imho, but that's what it is for. I have a chiappa upper for 22lr on an AR, if I want AR training on the cheap that is as good as the Smith, and uses the actual trigger and stock that my AR uses. They all fill a need, you just need to figure out what YOUR needs are.
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There are pros and cons with both guns and with the 10/22 being the best it also lacks the deep magazine like a AR and the controls.. I was thinking of getting the SR-22 but looking over the M&P I'm gonna choose that.
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I think that the quad rail design looks a little overkill if you really don't want to hang all kinds of stuff off it. Maybe one on top for a front sight. Still short of $$ to make this a near future purchase, so still have time to decide.
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when the S&W22 first came out, there were several posts on various forums about it firing out of battery... That's kinda spooked me off of that one, personally.


I think the Sig 22 rifle looks interesting, myself...
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