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Old September 12th, 2010, 02:13 AM   #1
 
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accuracy from factory 10/22 Carbine

I was wondering if anyone one has ever tried to see how much accuracy a person could squeak out of a stock / factory 10/22 carbine without buying any parts. with just working with only the parts that came with the guns. If so what kind if groups did you get out of it?



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Old September 12th, 2010, 05:38 AM   #2
 
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What do you mean by extra parts? I just put a scope on mine.
I did rework the trigger though, and that is a huge help when you have a scope. If you haven't already I would rework the trigger first.
As for grouping, I sometimes get good ones, like 2 or 3 inches at 50 yards, but I also shoot crappy ammo so I often have shots going 3 or 4 inches off target.

If you put on a scope and use nice ammunition though I bet you could get amazing groups at 50 yards.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 08:07 AM   #3
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I've never tried to see what kind of groups I could get, most of the time My 10 yr old son and I go shooting the 10/22's for fun. But my son can hit empty 22 lr shells at 40 yards with his carbine with a old Bushnell sportview 4x32 scope. At that same distance I can hit the nail heads in the pallet that we use for targets with my target 10/22. That was shooting off a picnic table not free hand. Every one that I have ever shot was very accurate.
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I was wondering with only using factory parts (not counting the scope) how accurate a person could get one with out spending any money, but thing you can do to the factory parts (polishing, grinding, etc.) what the best sized group have you got say at 50 yards

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I've been getting 1/2 - 1" groups at 50yds out of mine and my daughters with CCI velocitors, I just pressure bedded mine last week so well see how it likes that.
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joe1971, did you do anything to the trigger to get that results, and also did you have a scope? The two 10/22's I have both had trigger work before I could hit anything.
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No, no trigger work yet, that's next

I do have a scope on both though, mine is wearing a hand-me-down from my 7mag (Simmons 3-9x40)

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You can do a lot to the stock trigger with jyst some elbow grease, and there are guys who will mod the stock barrel to make the stock 10/22 pretty durn acc-u-rate.

I'm not sure what all was done to the newest (to me) one I picked up, but I had it out last weekend, and she was putting 5 shot groups all touching at 50yds. I know she has had some barrel work, but it is a stock barrel, it has a timney trigger, the bolt looks untouched (but I will be sending it out), and it wears a standard carbine stock and barrel band. I was impressed....this one is a keeper for sure.

I can tell the chamber has been modded since it won't extract federal bulk very well, but the fiocchi I had with me worked well and was responsible for the great groups. Just wait til I get it tuned and dialed in...hehehehe.

Oh, it has a winchester 3-9 scope on it as well.
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The main reason the standard or highvelocity .22lr round is unaccurate is due to the transition through the sound barrier before the lead hits the target.

I noticed a very big difference using Sub-sonic ammo at 50 yards and beyond. I was able to get dime sized groups at 50 yards with Winchester sub sonic truncated cone HP's.
I also used remington but they were junk. had multiple duds and they were innacurate.

I have tried just about every other brand of high velocity ammo and couldn't get a group under 1 1/2" at 50 yards.

On the other hand I believe the cci velocitors shoot 1435 fps with a 40 grain bullet. I imagine it's not dropping below the barrier through 50 yards conisdering the excellent groupings he achieved.

I have since polished all the internals of my trigger and stoned the hammer. Can't wait to get out and shoot it, but I imagine It'll help alot.

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The main reason the standard or highvelocity .22lr round is unaccurate is due to the transition through the sound barrier before the lead hits the target.

I noticed a very big difference using Sub-sonic ammo at 50 yards and beyond. I was able to get dime sized groups at 50 yards with Winchester sub sonic truncated cone HP's.
I also used remington but they were junk. had multiple duds and they were innacurate.

I have tried just about every other brand of high velocity ammo and couldn't get a group under 1 1/2" at 50 yards.

On the other hand I believe the cci velocitors shoot 1435 fps with a 40 grain bullet. I imagine it's not dropping below the barrier through 50 yards conisdering the excellent groupings he achieved.

I have since polished all the internals of my trigger and stoned the hammer. Can't wait to get out and shoot it, but I imagine It'll help alot.

Very true, most hi-velocity ammo will stay out of transition thru the 50 yd point but after that it gets iffy. Hyper velocity may stay true past the 100 yd mark. It is that buffeting of the projectile when it transitions to subsonic that wreaks havoc on accuracy. You either don't go supersonic to start, or stay supersonic well past your planned range to get good accuracy.
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I think anyone who says the get better than .800 to .900" inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards with a box stock 10-22 even with Eley Tenex, Lapua Midas etc. is blowing smoke (or gets the same delusions that bass and trout anglers get).

some no-brainers are to remove the barrel band, bed the receiver, re-cut the chamber, re-cut the barrel crown, and tweak (or replace) the trigger. With these mods (aka the "Hopson Special"), you can get very close to an inch 10 shot groups at 50 yards with most high-quality (Wolf/RWS or better) match ammo.

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I've been getting 1/2 - 1" groups at 50yds out of mine and my daughters with CCI velocitors, I just pressure bedded mine last week so well see how it likes that.
that quite good for stock 10/22. mine never did that good the best that mine would do 3/4" to 1 1/2" groups regardless what I did to it and with the cheapo ammo I was lucky to get a 3" group.
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The main reason the standard or highvelocity .22lr round is unaccurate is due to the transition through the sound barrier before the lead hits the target.

I noticed a very big difference using Sub-sonic ammo at 50 yards and beyond. I was able to get dime sized groups at 50 yards with Winchester sub sonic truncated cone HP's.
I also used remington but they were junk. had multiple duds and they were innacurate.

I have tried just about every other brand of high velocity ammo and couldn't get a group under 1 1/2" at 50 yards.

On the other hand I believe the cci velocitors shoot 1435 fps with a 40 grain bullet. I imagine it's not dropping below the barrier through 50 yards conisdering the excellent groupings he achieved.

I have since polished all the internals of my trigger and stoned the hammer. Can't wait to get out and shoot it, but I imagine It'll help alot.
sound like you are having the same luck I had been having. I tried the free floating the barrel thing, polish up the internals, you know all the cheap things, and when a gun will not shoot good for me I tend to lose interest in shooting it much. bad part is I got tired of messing with it and bit the bullet and put a bull barrel on it and new stock, the stock is not preforming as well as it thought but it was on sale and I jumped at it. my cousin is now going down the path now not wanting to spend a large chunk of money on his so he looking at doing some tweaking on the factory barrel (chamber work & re-crowning) we did the bolt squaring and facing and head spacing but have not really got out to see how its doing yet.

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I think anyone who says the get better than .800 to .900" inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards with a box stock 10-22 even with Eley Tenex, Lapua Midas etc. is blowing smoke (or gets the same delusions that bass and trout anglers get).

some no-brainers are to remove the barrel band, bed the receiver, re-cut the chamber, re-cut the barrel crown, and tweak (or replace) the trigger. With these mods (aka the "Hopson Special"), you can get very close to an inch 10 shot groups at 50 yards with most high-quality (Wolf/RWS or better) match ammo.
What does re-cut the chamber mean, and what does it do for accuracy?
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What does re-cut the chamber mean, and what does it do for accuracy?
set back barrel, recut exractor groove, finish ream a Bentz type chamber. etc. etc.

bud hopson used to do this in Grant's Pass Oregon. mine was done 15+ years ago.
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