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Old October 1st, 2010, 08:14 PM   #16
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I think anyone who says the get better than .800 to .900" inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards with a box stock 10-22 even with Eley Tenex, Lapua Midas etc. is blowing smoke (or gets the same delusions that bass and trout anglers get).
My Charger which is just a 10/22 with a 10" barrel and a pistol grip will group around 1" with several different types of ammo. Using Winchester and Federal bulk pack I can usually keep it under 2" if I do my part. Of course a 2.5-10x rifle scope helps a bit. It's all Ruger parts with just a little grinding, smoothing, and polishing done to the trigger and bolt.



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Old October 4th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #17
 
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Depending on three things, the stock 10/22 can be very very accurate at 50 yards. I replaced the trigger system, added a good 3-9 scope and bought CCI and other quality ammo. I found that the quality-expensive ammo made a significant difference, e.g. 1' groups at 50 yards. If I wanted better accuracy, I would have bedded it, but I can not squawk about 1" groups at 50y.
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I just bought my first 10-22 so I have no specific first hand expeience to give... but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express Last night...

Really, I used to be an NRA/BSA rifle instructor and shot light target qualifications throughout my childhood and into my early adult life. From that experience, there are a few things that I think I can add.

Accuracy is all about repeatability. 10-22's aren't exactly 16 jewel watch movements, but if you (either yourself, or through a competent gunsmith) "tighten up" the sloppy areas, you can make an otherwise stock gun into a fine performer. Though some would say that even with no aftermarket parts, a massaged gun is not factory anymore. This and other sites seem to have plenty of advice on what needs to be done... I haven't seen any claims to the overall results though. I don't know if 10-22's can be made into sub MOA shooters with just stock parts, but I suspect that they can be.

A scope does not make a gun any more accurate, If you know how to use a set of iron sights properly, you can get the same accuracy with them as you do with a scope up to the point that you can't see your target.

When I was shooting for points, I could consistently put 5 shots through a single hole from a standing position with iron sights (This was with a 77-22 that was all stock except for some massaging to the trigger and one shim under the reciever to free float the barrel). I couldn't do that if the rifle wasn't pretty much 100% consistent. My point is that it doesn't matter what a gun does "wrong" as long as it does it the same every time.

Just by its nature, a semi auto rifle won't ever be as accurate as a bolt action, but they can still be pretty good. For a 10-22, I'd say to focus on the trigger first (they are notoriously bad), bedding the action second, and bolt/chamber consistency third. I almost put bedding third, but its so easy and cheap its worth doing sooner rather than later.

Beyond that be sure to use good ammo and take some time to learn proper shooting techniques. I should really emphasize this more, it's probably got more to do with the groups most people get than the gun itself. I can't tell you how many "great" shooters I've met that blame bad results on their guns and ignore obvious flaws in their technique. Its easy to do. It's never fun to have somebody else prove there's nothing wrong with your firearm.

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Depending on three things, the stock 10/22 can be very very accurate at 50 yards. I replaced the trigger system, added a good 3-9 scope and bought CCI and other quality ammo. I found that the quality-expensive ammo made a significant difference, e.g. 1' groups at 50 yards. If I wanted better accuracy, I would have bedded it, but I can not squawk about 1" groups at 50y.
1" groups are good. I was wanting to know if you shot prone, sitting, or standing? And did you use a sling?
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maverick06,

I have an upcoming Appleseed event and would love to duplicate groupings like yours. How were you shooting it?
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At an Appleseed shoot you'll only shoot from 25 meters (82 feet). Your 10/22 should be more then capable of getting good groups from that distance. I put a TSR200 Tech Sight on mine last year and won our clubs offhand Aperture Class gong shoot (25 through 65 yards) October match last Sunday scoring 23 of 30 while the high scorer for the Scope Class scored the same as me with a Savage MKII.

With all this said, I have yet to test for grouping with my 10/22, I just zeroed for the Tech Sight Aperture at 25 yards and figured this would be my short range semi-auto, as well as metal swinger rifle for our clubs .22LR gong shoots.

I haven't shot in an Appleseed and have no plans to do so, but I have shot their AQT targets with the time restraints and magazine changes they use and have scored in the 220's many times, and even posted a 233. All those scores will win you your Riflemans patch.

Other then the TSR200 Tech Sights, I shoot my 10/22, stock...
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A gent I built one of my 10-22 LTRs for reported that he got 3/8" groups at 25 yards from a lead sled rest. That works out to 1.2 MOA from a bone stock rifle, other than one of my trigger jobs and bolt tune ups.
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With my 10/22 which has no aftermartet internal parts delivers consistent 3/8" groups from prone @ 25M. Only extras were tech sights and a gi web sling. I can imagine shooting smaller groups off a bench. So my answer to your question is: accuracy of a 10/22 is most likely better than most people can fully take advantage of.
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so for 50yards and under hi velocity ammo is best? for accuracy?
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so for 50yards and under hi velocity ammo is best? for accuracy?
Standard velocity or sub sonic is always better on accuracy regardless of the distance.
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I have started playing with my 10/22 again since my CZ-452 isn't any fun under 50yds (sub .5" 50yd groups)

My 10/22 has a SS barrel with a few mods (PC titanium firing pin, Vol. extractor, and a Hogue std channel stock). I enjoy shooting this rifle and decided to try a bunch of different ammo to see what was more accurate.

Here were my results (10 shots, 25yds):
Federal Spitfire 31gr HyperVelocity 3 misfires 1.5" group
Winchester Super X 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
Winchester "333" 36gr bulk HiVelocity 1" group
CCI MiniMag 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
Remington Golden Bullet 36gr bulk HiVelocity .75" group
Federal 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
CCI Blazer 40gr HiVelocity 1"group
Federal Lightning 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
Remington Golden Bullet 40gr HiVelocity 1.25" group
Winchester Wildcat 40gr HiVelocity 1.25" group
Aguila Super Extra 38gr HiVelocity .75" group
ELEY Sport 40gr Std. Velocity .5" group
Remington SubSonic 38gr 1" group
Remington 22 Target 40gr Std. Velocity 2 misfires 1.25" group
Aguila Rifle Match 40gr Std. Velocity .75" group
RWS Target-Sport Line 40gr Std. Velocity .5" group

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I have started playing with my 10/22 again since my CZ-452 isn't any fun under 50yds (sub .5" 50yd groups)

My 10/22 has a SS barrel with a few mods (PC titanium firing pin, Vol. extractor, and a Hogue std channel stock). I enjoy shooting this rifle and decided to try a bunch of different ammo to see what was more accurate.

Here were my results (10 shots, 25yds):
Federal Spitfire 31gr HyperVelocity 3 misfires 1.5" group
Winchester Super X 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
Winchester "333" 36gr bulk HiVelocity 1" group
CCI MiniMag 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
Remington Golden Bullet 36gr bulk HiVelocity .75" group
Federal 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
CCI Blazer 40gr HiVelocity 1"group
Federal Lightning 40gr HiVelocity 1" group
Remington Golden Bullet 40gr HiVelocity 1.25" group
Winchester Wildcat 40gr HiVelocity 1.25" group
Aguila Super Extra 38gr HiVelocity .75" group
ELEY Sport 40gr Std. Velocity .5" group
Remington SubSonic 38gr 1" group
Remington 22 Target 40gr Std. Velocity 2 misfires 1.25" group
Aguila Rifle Match 40gr Std. Velocity .75" group
RWS Target-Sport Line 40gr Std. Velocity .5" group

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In the last 6 or so entries, looks like you're getting tighter groups with standard velocity ammo. Does this ammo also cycle the action reliably? Or does it occassionally stove pipe?
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Standard Velocity ammo cyles the action just fine, and I've never had a stove pipe in my 10/22. Most of your high quality 22 target ammo is standard velocity.

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The only thing I did to mine was a 45 minute trigger job, which involves using a diamond file to remove the hammer raised groove, where the sear contacts it, without changing the angle (for safety reasons). This brings the trigger down to around three pounds of pull. It will shoot one inch groups at 50 yards and two inch groups at 100 yards, using CCI Mini-Mags or Winchester Super X Hyper Speed. This was with a Nikon 2X7 shotgun scope on it. I just removed it yesterday and installed a Nikon 3X9 BDC Rimfire scope on it. I'm going to try to get out within the next day or so, to see if there's any improvment, as the better magnification and finer crosshairs might make a difference.
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Standard velocity or sub sonic is always better on accuracy regardless of the distance.
This is not true......under 50 yards either can produce good results. Typically hi-velocity bullets go through the transition to sub-sonic speeds at about 60 yards, and it is the "bobble" induced in the transition from supersonic to subsonic that affects accuracy. With that said, in many cases ammo produced for sub-sonic use is held to tighter standards, and as such can produce more consistent results.

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