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Old March 15th, 2017, 05:29 AM   #1
 
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Building a 10/22 need advice

Ok guys, sorry if this has been done already, but here are my questions

If not a stock Ruger receiver- is there any benefit to say aftermarket, pricier brands? Kidd, Tactical Solutions.....others?

Suppressed barrel or threaded? Gemtech gives you about 8" of barrel the rest suppressor, Tactical solutions has roughly 12 1/4 barrel with threads and suppressor fits on end (keeps your Overall at 16" or so) , and finally just using a nice bull barrel 16 1/4" with a threaded barrel and suppressor. Is there really any advantages in say barrel length to accuracy?

After Market bolts? and triggers do they really make a difference?

I was just trying to make up in my mind whether to get a standard ruger 10/22 and modify from there or just go fully aftermarket/accuracy/fun etc. I won't be using it any matches but maybe like everyone else just wanted some better accuracy if possible. And finally does the investments costs pay off........?



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Green mountain 16.5" barrel on stock receiver if this helps. You can put any trigger assembly in it you want. I have a BX in mine and doing .270-.275 groups with CCI standard velocity. .550 10 shot groups.
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Oops those are at 50 yards.
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Green mountain 16.5" barrel on stock receiver if this helps. You can put any trigger assembly in it you want. I have a BX in mine and doing .270-.275 groups with CCI standard velocity. .550 10 shot groups.
Ok I would think or suppose that a receiver is not the huge impact unless the bolt is made with it as in closer tolerances. Otherwise the main changes are the barrel and trigger........
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I think so but haven't tried the others. Just seen them on the net. They look cool but for the price they should. I had fun with the factory stock and was wondering if one of the thumbhole stocks benefits the shooter's ability. Mine is already glass bedded and aluminum pillar in it. I ordered a stainless steel but plate from numrich and it doesn't fit even close.
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Trigger is a big deal. Good trigger will alter your perspective. I have a Kidd ss set at two pounds it is awesome. $200 but worth it. At a min get brimstone trigger job. 10/22s are good fun get one a shoot it a bunch. You can upgrade as money allows.
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I have the exact set-up as Gene Clowe except pillar bedding but I achieve about the same accuracy with federal auto-match. I am happy with it for my go to squirrel and plinking rifle



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I have the exact set-up as Gene Clowe except pillar bedding but I achieve about the same accuracy with federal auto-match. I am happy with it for my go to squirrel and plinking rifle



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If you can get that kind of accuracy with plinking ammo, you should try some Eley Match or RWS R50. Your groups should shrink to .220.
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I'll agree with what has been said before. Your trigger and barrel will make the biggest impact. The build I just did I used the Kidd Trigger Job kit and it comes in at about 2lbs and is crisp. The rifle I inherited already had a KSA heavy barrel on it so I'll see how that shoots before I decide to change it out.
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of taking a stock 10/22 and heavily modifying it, spending lots of money, to get it to shoot maybe as well as a stock Savage or CZ .22? In my years of rimfire benchrest, I have seen shooters show up to local matches with heavily modified 10/22s, with lots of money spent on them, only for them to come in last place. Most of those shooters, we never see again, they get so discouraged. Had these 10/22 shooters taken that money and spent it on a used custom benchrest rifle they would then have a precision rifle which they can really do some amazing shooting with. The 10/22 is a great little rifle, I've had one since 1978. I did have a trigger job done on it, but I never wanted to dump $$$$ on it to get it to shoot almost as well as my bolt .22s. When one can find a slightly used Cooper TRP-3 or Anschutz for about $1500, why spend almost as much trying to make a 10/22 into a 1/2 way decent shooter? What's the appeal? Is it just that they are easy to tinker with?

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I have about $650 in my 10/22 It shoots better than me. I have more fun with it and shoot it more than anything else. For plinking it is a gas to stay on the glass and watch your hits and blast away whats not to like?
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Is that $650 on top of the cost of the stock 10/22 or including the cost of the 10/22? Also, how do you know that the rifle shoots better than you are capable of if you haven't seen what you might be capable of shooting with a real accurate .22 bolt gun? There was a time that I thought that way too, until the day I got my hands on my Cooper 57M Classic and a whole new world of rimfire accuracy opened up to me. I ended up with having 3 custom benchrest rifles built for me. Those 10/22s are fun guns to shoot, but I have a thing for hitting tiny little dots. If you don't already have them; get some wind flags and learn how to hold-off and you just might find that you can outshoot your 10/22.
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Bill B, Although I totally agree with your reasoning, there's just a few things missing .... the "fun" factor and the "because I can" factor. I fully realize a 1" group at 100 yards would get you laughed off the range in your precision shooting competition.

Several years ago I fell in with the "because I can" group and built up a 10/22 target rifle. I bought a used carbine for $100 then added a $100 Fajen target stock and a $100 20" Green Mountain bull barrel (all on sale). I did a trigger job and a headspace job, then mounted a side dial 3~10X Night Eater scope .... another $160, for a total of $460. I'm proud to say .... I took the carbine from 2~2.5" groups @ 50 yards to about 1" groups at 100 yards. It still won't hold a candle to my box stock CZ 452-2E, but it sure is fun. My CZ 452-2E was $250 plus a Nikon 3-9X Rimfire scope for $150 .... $400 total. I guess what I'm trying to say .... there's more to guns than the price tag and more to fun than precision accuracy.

Easter is coming soon and the group of guys I run with host an annual "Invitational Easter Egg Hunt" at one of my friend's farm. Each year we add a new course of fire just for grins. The winner of each event gets a handshake from the other contestants. Last year we had two handgun classes .... one for "any 22" and one for "any centerfire". One dozen farm fresh eggs are placed at random distances from 10 to 25 yards. The contestant keeps shooting until all eggs have been broken. We also had a contest with "Peeps".... the fluorescent colored candy bunnies and chickens. 10 Peeps were placed at 50 yards in plane sight then 22 rifles were used to shoot them with the fewest shots. My 10/22 build won the contest with a perfect score .... plus I did it in record time. This got me two hand shakes from my friends! Way fun!!! I don't know what will be added this year but I'd bet it will be fun. We started with just 3 shooters several years ago and now have at least 10.

Just for grins, here's my 10/22 "because I can" build:


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I know about the fun factor. Anytime I'm pulling a trigger - I'm having fun. It's been a long while since I've shot my 10/22 but I had big fun with it. I'm just assuming (probably mistakenly) that anyone willing to spend lots of money (and I've know guys who spent much more than you or stevebla on them) on accurizing their 10/22s that they are interested in precision shooting as their "fun" goal. I also get the fun of doing it yourself.

A couple people who showed up at our matches with heavily modified/accurized 10/22s come to mind. One fellow thought he was going to be a real contender with his and he practiced a lot with it. He got it handed to him big time at his first match. It wasn't long before he showed up with a custom bolt bench rest rifle and he stayed with the sport, was very successful and ended up in the IR50/50 Hall of Fame. He then went on to shooting air rifle bench rest and in 2011 won the world championship in that discipline.

Another fellow showed up a couple years ago with a couple heavily modified/accurized 10/22s and he again came in dead last, but his goal is to see just how well he can get his 10/22 to shoot, his placement at a match was not important to him. He used our scores as a benchmark to gauge his improvement and he just liked competing with us. He got it to shoot pretty well at times, he just wasn't that consistent with them. He has shot some of our rifles and is a very good shot who understands how to utilize wind flags. When I talked to him last year he was seriously contemplating getting a full-blown custom bolt benchrest rifle to see just what he is fully capable of doing.

I guess what I am saying is: If your goal is ultimate precision shooting, your journey will likely lead to a custom full-blown bench rest rifle. You'll learn the skills faster and save money in the long run, the sooner you buy that custom. While a customized 10/22 is fun, it's not going to get you to the top of the mountain, if that is one's goal.

ps, A couple years ago a fellow started Auto Bench Rest Association (ABRA) for those who want to compete against other auto .22s. The customized 10/22s are king in that game. It's not a real popular game tho. Most shooters involved in precision shooting want to see how good they and their equipment can be. They don't want a rifle that will limit them.

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Is that $650 on top of the cost of the stock 10/22 or including the cost of the 10/22? Also, how do you know that the rifle shoots better than you are capable of if you haven't seen what you might be capable of shooting with a real accurate .22 bolt gun? There was a time that I thought that way too, until the day I got my hands on my Cooper 57M Classic and a whole new world of rimfire accuracy opened up to me. I ended up with having 3 custom benchrest rifles built for me. Those 10/22s are fun guns to shoot, but I have a thing for hitting tiny little dots. If you don't already have them; get some wind flags and learn how to hold-off and you just might find that you can outshoot your 10/22.
10/22 contest winner 350 Kidd trigger 200 scope 100 mount 60 oops 710 total. My brother just got a Cooper in 308 beautiful guns. Love shooting .22 will start looking at bolt guns. Cooper is out of my budget maybe CZ.
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