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This is a discussion on Bolt Buffer Pins: What do you use and why? within the Ruger 10/22 Rimfire forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Originally Posted by NetDoc I don't want a 'hair trigger' and never said I did. I want a 1.5 to 2 pound pull on my ...


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Old March 24th, 2017, 01:55 PM   #16
 
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I don't want a 'hair trigger' and never said I did. I want a 1.5 to 2 pound pull on my range rifle. Of course, if you can't handle a light trigger, then DON'T GET ONE. They are not suitable for the inattentive shooter.





I got those and they are nice. I only shot about 20 rounds day before yesterday and pulled it out last night and there was no deformation like on the viton covered pin.


No you quoted part of my post. You originally said you wanted to remove 1 or 2 pounds from a 2 1/2 pound trigger that means a half pound to 1 1/2 pound trigger. As a gunsmith a half pound trigger is a hair trigger.

Don't selectively quote what may support your view.


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Old March 24th, 2017, 06:40 PM   #17
 
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You originally said you wanted to remove 1 or 2 pounds from a 2 1/2 pound trigger that means a half pound to 1 1/2 pound trigger.
Actually, I never posted that. Please work on your reading comprehension as you are misrepresenting me in this regard. I posted "a pound or so" and not a "pound or two". A 1 1/2 pound trigger or there abouts is not a "hair trigger" as most any competent gunsmith will tell you. It's really not my fault that you got it wrong. I never said I wanted a hair trigger, so please get your facts right before you tell me how to quote. No need to harsh my mellow because you can't understand what I wrote.

Triggers below a pound only belong on bolt action rifles dedicated to bench rests in my opinion. I have shot two by invitation and they were both phenomenal firearms and their owners are top notch marksmen. If you can't operate them safely, then by all means avoid such firearms. I found them fun, fun, fun.
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I use KIDD bolt buffers. They make some of the best parts you can buy for a 10/22!
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i use the standard Ruger part.

IMO, they used steel for a reason.
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i use the standard Ruger part.

IMO, they used steel for a reason.
I do as well. Can't really see a need to replace that part.
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I just did a replacement of the hammer and bolt release with VQ parts on my 10/22 Takedown. I also got a VQ Recoil Buffer, the clear kind, and I can't get it installed. I can get it in one hole with a whole lot of effort, but once I get it through to the other side, I can't get it through the other hole. I gave up and put the Ruger steel pin back in. Anyone got an tips on how to put the VQ buffer pin in?

As for why not the steel, I've heard it wears down the bolt over time, plus it's noisier. I don't care about the noise so much, but if it wears down the bolt I can see that as less than ideal. It's possible Ruger just didn't want to put a non-steel pin in because that can fail or wear quicker than the bolt, so less liability for them. But maybe people are making a bigger deal of the bolt wear issue than it really is?
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Ruger has made millions of 10/22s with a steel bolt pin. They seem to work well and never wear out. So ... all four of my 10/22s still have the factory pins and I have no intention of changing them.

NetDoc, IMO, any trigger under 2.5 lb is a hair trigger. My 10/22 build has a trigger that breaks crisp at 4 lb and it is plenty light. Oh yes, I've been shooting for more than 60 years so I think I know a hair trigger when I feel one. I was also a gunsmith for 31 years. Light trigger are especially bad for new shooters .... partly because of accidental discharges, potential for "full auto", but mostly because you never learn the basics of shooting skills and depend on a light trigger "crutch" to achieve decent marksmanship.

Something I just don't understand about people .... they think trigger pull is going to improve the gun's accuracy ..... trigger pull itself has absolutely nothing to do with the gun's accuracy, it just provides an interface for the shooter. There's nothing better than some range time with a 8 lb trigger .... it will teach you to hold your rifle very still and be a much better marksman. Once you master an 8 lb trigger, anything lighter is a piece of cake. I have an older 10/22 Carbine with a factory stock 8 lb trigger. It is just as accurate as my high $$$ Manlicher 10/22 with a 4 lb trigger. Besides 10/22s, I have a lot of other 22 rifles in my safe. If I had to depend on a light trigger pull to get decent accuracy, most of my rifles would never get fired.

I don't know what you have done to your 10/22 so far but a bolt buffer and a light trigger do NOT make a 10/22 into a target rifle .... nor do most other "braggin' rights accessories. If you want match grade accuracy, you will need a match grade barrel and a bolt machined for minimal headspace. Of course match grade barrels are usually .920" bull barrels so you will likely need a new stock too. Not to mention ammo .... I've tried many brands/types of ammo in all four of my 10/22s. Wolf Target match was by far the most accurate in my "build" but CCI Mini-Mags seem to be the most accurate in my factory configured 10/22s.

I guess everyone has their own opinions about accuracy. Some people are plum tickled with soda can accuracy at 25 yards whereas the more refined shooters aren't happy with anything larger than dime sized groups at 50 yards. Competitive shooters want to see groups sizes no more than one bullet diameter. My 10/22 build would easily qualify for dime sized groups at 50 yards (from a bench rest of course) but wouldn't make it for precision competition.

Here's my 10/22 build .... Green Mountain 20" match grade bull barrel, machined bolt, Fajen target stock, topped with a decent 3~10x side dial Night Eater scope.

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It amazes me how many people spend a fortune on a gun designed to be a fun plinker and easily shoot 1 MOS ( minute of squirrel ) out of the box. All I have done to mine is give it a complete de-burr to slick all the parts up and wrap some black tape around the area where the trigger group goes into the stock to get any play out of there. It shoots better than I do.
Mines just like it came from the factory in 1973 , walnut stock and black plastic butt plate. What's a bolt buffer anyway ?
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Another undo accessory like wiper blades on your headlights!
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