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This is a discussion on Best 22 rifle for distance target shooting within the Ruger 10/22 Rimfire forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Bill B, Let me modify my statements about sonic transition. First of all, sonic transition is way overstated. Many people think if a bullet transitions ...


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Old March 8th, 2017, 12:53 PM   #46
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Bill B, Let me modify my statements about sonic transition. First of all, sonic transition is way overstated. Many people think if a bullet transitions from supersonic to subsonic it will be totally unstable and worthlessly inaccurate .... that's just not true. Yes, I can see a sonic transition "bump in the road" causing a very slight change so I'll give you that for ultra precision shooting. Most of us shooters are happy if the bullet hits a 1" bullseye at 50 yards where sonic transition will have virtually no effect. I think this is the difference in our opinions .... you are a precision competitive target shooter and the rest of us are not in your class .... we are lucky if we have a rifle and ammo combination that will deliver 1 MOA groups that wouldn't begin to win a 50/50 contest.

What most 22 rifle owners experience is an inferior barrel or action that causes bullet damage .... to a point where groups start spreading after 50 yards. By the time a bullet has traveled 75 yards, chances are it is wobbling profusely where groups start looking like a shotgun pattern. Sometimes you can find the main source of the damage such as a feed ramp that skins a bullet or a bolt skinning the top round in a magazine. Often just changing to another brand of ammo with a different bullet shape will reduce bullet damage enough where groups are much tighter. Most people think if ammo feeds in their rifle, that's all that's necessary when indeed bullets may get feeding damage. One thing for sure, if rifles (or pistols) don't feed well for any reason, accuracy will likely suffer from bullet damage.

I respect your marksmanship expertise and experience but you are a rare exception. I'm sure you don't use a field grade rifle right out of the box like most of us here on the forum. I'm also sure you spend good money for match grade ammo, whereas most shooters buy the cheapest bulk ammo they can find. Point being .... things that may matter to you are of virtually no importance to the average 22 rifle shooter.



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Your point is well taken. I haven't fired a non-custom, non-precision rimfire or non-match ammo thru a rimfire rifle in over 15 years. My concept of accuracy is a bit skewed I guess. I will tell you that as a result of my journey thru the rimfire benchrest sport that I am in awe and amazed at the level of accuracy that the lowly .22 rf is capable of when shot thru a finely tuned, custom-made rimfire rifle. Most would not think it possible.

While I still have 2 benchrest rifles left and several cases of lot tested Eley ammo, I'm thinking that I have shot my last match. It's a very time consuming, expensive and intensive sport with the worst of it being the desperate rush to test every shipment of ammo as it hits our shores looking for the best lots of ammo. Finding lots that are free of flyers is a huge part of the game. A flyer being any round that goes in a direction that isn't predicated on the conditions. I want my misses to be ones where I either misread the condition and didn't get the proper hold-off, or, where I got caught in a quick wind shift. I may be burned out now, but Man did I learn a lot about .22s along the way.

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Bill B, Well stated .... I think we are on the same page now.

I used to shoot handgun NRA Bullseye matches back in the 70s and for 22 LR competition, I used a S&W Mod 17 (6" barrel) or a 5 1/2" S&W Mod 41 pistol. This is a "one handed hold" using a revolver or pistol, fired at 25 yards. I shot some very respectable scores .... even shot a prefect 300 a couple times. Accuracy was very important but nothing to compare with 22 LR rifle matches. I never got into precision 22 rifles .... just too expensive at the time but I have watched a couple matches and saw targets with amazingly small groups. As you noted, you need perfect ammo, a high $$$ rifle with a perfect bore, then you need to be able to read the wind. When all the ducks are in a row, the results are astounding.
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In my favorite win, I did not shoot even close to my best score. I was shooting the 2011 IR50/50 3 Gun Nationals in 2011 @ 50 meters. The first event of the day was the sporter class (rifle must weigh 7.5 lb or < with 6.5X max scope, with no barrel tuners). The winds were 20+mph and the wind flags were being knocked over if not heavily anchored. I looked at the flags and tried to figure out how I was going to deal with these conditions. When shooting at the sighter it was clear that the hold off was well off the bull. Knowing I could not find a consistent hold with no precise aiming point off the bull into blank space, (and with my 6X scope I can't see the X or even the .25" 10 ring.) I decided I had to dial in a condition, so I could hold center. I prayed I had dialed in the prevailing condition that I could recognize, shooting any little let-up and I would be out by several rings. I was shooting the second relay and was unaware of the scores from the first relay. I dropped 2 points and figured I was out of the running as most matches are won by someone shooting a clean 250 target. I ended up shooting a lowly 248-10X (a very low X count) but when I finished, some of my shooting buddies came over immediately and congratulated me on the win. The scores of the first relay had been posted by then and they had been looking at the targets of the second relay thru spotting scopes. They said I had won by at least 2 points. (Usually wins are determined by X count). When the dust cleared, I had won the sporter class by 3 points.
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Bill B, That was very interesting .... I couldn't imagine shooting in a 20 mph wind and actually hitting the target.

Here's one of my war stories. I belonged to a NRA shooting team in San Bernardino, CA that was made up of city, state, and Federal LEOs. On Wednesday evening we would have a "qualification contest" to see which 5 of the 30+ members would get to travel for the week end competition. I got lucky, shot a good score, and easily qualified. When we got to San Diego on the following Saturday, I couldn't find my butt with both hands and shot a my worse scores ever. Needless to say, out team came in dead last due to my poor performance. That was the last time I competed in Bullseye competition.
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Do the CZ's have threaded barrels so they can wear a can?
A couple of models are threaded, American with synthetic stock and the Tacticool. They also sell spare barrels that are threaded.
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.... even shot a prefect 300 a couple times.
Not in my wildest dreams do I think I could do that even one time.
I was quite happy and proud when I shot my one and only 100 target in an outdoor bullseye match (it was the rapid fire target)!
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CDRGlock, I also have a Savage MK II but mine has a stainless bull barrel (BTVS) and nice thumb through hole wood stock. These are excellent rifles .... very accurate but it still won't outshoot my CZ.

That's the gun I ended up buying just in the left-handed version. I drove almost 4 hours down into Kentucky to get it because it was the last one available. It is the Savage BTVLSS and I added a Nikon Rimfire II 3x9x40 scope and a Tipton bi-pod to it and actually got to shoot it a little this past weekend. Took some time to dial it in on the left/right windage, did not want to make any changes to the elevation because our indoor range is short. So far it's a great shooter and I think it will work just fine for my needs.
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