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Old March 2nd, 2017, 07:35 PM   #16
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Nashoba Losa, Don't know the answer but all it takes is a lathe and a threading die to create a "can ready" barrel for most any rifle.



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I will deviate from the pack to add that a Savage for the money is extremely accurate in my hands. Then again, I use Eley more often for precision shooting. I shot as well as a guy who had a rifle that cost 8 times more than mine.


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I would second the Savage. It or the CZ either one are hard to beat for the money
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My savage 93's have been great and in .17 they are inside a dime at 100 with the right ammo.

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I have had the Savage and the CZ's. I do not remember what model the Savage was and the CZ was a 455. Could not find the 452 at the time.

The CZ and the Savage were great rifles and shot well but every group I would shoot out of them I always would get one flier no matter what I would do. I sold them both because of that flier would always ruin my groups. The CZ was the better shooter over the Savage.

I ended up buying a Remington 540X and have never looked back. The Remington never would have a flier and was dead on. Great rifles. They are hard to find but they are available on the used market. The 540XR are a little cheaper and easier to find but these rifles are a single shot. But they are relaxing to shoot one at a time and you do not fly through the ammo. Lets you concentrate on the grouping a lot more also.

I have a Custom 10/22 that is a good shooter also and when wanting to shoot more than one round at a time it serves me well.

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Marlin XT is not a bad little rifle. I have a 40 year old Marlin that has dropped allot of those silly steel Rams at 100yds off hand.
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One more vote for CZ. My 452 Varmint is on my, won't ever part with this one list.
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The CZ is very hard to beat !

As for the OP's question about barrel length, standard velocity .22 rimfire's actually lose velocity due to friction after about 18" -20" in the barrel. The loss of velocity is slight but it's there. If you're using iron sights the longer barrel allows a longer sight radius and the small loss of velocity is insignificant compared to the advantage of the longer sight radius. If you're using a scope there's nothing to be gained with a super long barrel.
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Here's a couple of targets from my new Marlin 60...first day at the range. New rifle...new scope (Simmons 22Mag 4x). 25 yards seated using a front rest. Granted 25 yards is not long distance but I think the potential is there.



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Petrol and Powder, You need to spend more time at the range with a chronograph and less time listening to the Internet myths.

I have several 22 LR rifles with barrels as short as 18.5" and as long as 25". I have tested these rifles over a chronograph using a variety of 22 LR ammo. Here's the deal: velocity continues to increase as the barrel gets longer. With standard velocity 22 LR ammo, velocity peaks with a 22" barrel but does NOT drop below peak to at least 25". In other words, velocity will peak at 1080 fps with a 22" barrel and will remain at 1080 fps with a 25" barrel. High velocity 22 LR ammo continues to increase in velocity to at least 25" .... maybe more but that was the longest barrel I had.

Using 22 LR CCI Mini-Mag high velocity ammo rated at 1255 fps from a 24" barrel, my factory 10/22 chronoed at 1185 fps with a 18.5" barrel. My Savage has a 21" barrel and is a bolt action so there is no loss from the automatic action. It chronoed at 1245 fps compared to my 10/22 with a 20" Green Mountain barrel that chronoed at 1210 fps. My Marlin 39A has a 24" barrel and it chronographed at 1265 fps. Next was my CZ, clocking in at 1260 fps with its 24 3/4" barrel. My Remington Mod 511 with a 25" won the contest with a speed of 1268 fps. The only exception to the rule was my Marlin .... its 24" barrel came in a close second probably because of the Microgroove rifling.

So what I determined was .... depending on the ammo used, 19~21" is the optimum barrel length. After 21", velocity does indeed increase but only by a token amount. Longer barrels make the gun heavier, increase harmonics, and are more clumsy to handle. All guns were chronographed at 10 feet from the muzzle. A 10 shot string was fired and my CED chronograph computed the average velocity for each gun. Different brands of ammo did not chrono at the same speeds but still followed the "the longer the barrel, the higher the speed" rule.

The myth about barrel friction slowing down the bullet is a bunch of crap .... at least to 25". Why? After a lead bullet has been engraved by the rifling, it takes very little pressure to push the bullet down the bore. 22 LR ammo uses a very slow burning powder .... much like H-110 where it takes about 15" of bullet travel to get a complete burn. Pressure peaks at about 24,000 psi with just an inch of bullet travel but because the powder keeps burning, continuous pressure will increase velocity .... much like a 357 Magnum cartridge in a rifle.

The condition of the bore will have a direct impact on muzzle velocity. As an example, I chronographed my old Winchester Mod 1906 (made in 1912). It has a 20" barrel but because the bore is pretty much shot out, it only clocked a speed of 1150 fps .... less than my 18.5" 10/22. As noted above, my Marlin 39A's 24" barrel almost tied the Remingtom 25" likely due to the different type of rifling.

Most experts agree ... a 19~21" barrel is optimum. Some people misinterpret that to mean velocity peaks at 19~21" when indeed it continues to increase slightly. In my above tests, The difference between my 21"Savage and my 25" Remington was only 23 fps .... but it was indeed an increase.
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Petrol and Powder, You need to spend more time at the range with a chronograph and less time listening to the Internet myths.

I have several 22 LR rifles with barrels as short as 18.5" and as long as 25". I have tested these rifles over a chronograph using a variety of 22 LR ammo. Here's the deal: velocity continues to increase as the barrel gets longer. With standard velocity 22 LR ammo, velocity peaks with a 22" barrel but does NOT drop below peak to at least 25". In other words, velocity will peak at 1080 fps with a 22" barrel and will remain at 1080 fps with a 25" barrel. High velocity 22 LR ammo continues to increase in velocity to at least 25" .... maybe more but that was the longest barrel I had.

Using 22 LR CCI Mini-Mag high velocity ammo rated at 1255 fps from a 24" barrel, my factory 10/22 chronoed at 1185 fps with a 18.5" barrel. My Savage has a 21" barrel and is a bolt action so there is no loss from the automatic action. It chronoed at 1245 fps compared to my 10/22 with a 20" Green Mountain barrel that chronoed at 1210 fps. My Marlin 39A has a 24" barrel and it chronographed at 1265 fps. Next was my CZ, clocking in at 1260 fps with its 24 3/4" barrel. My Remington Mod 511 with a 25" won the contest with a speed of 1268 fps. The only exception to the rule was my Marlin .... its 24" barrel came in a close second probably because of the Microgroove rifling.

So what I determined was .... depending on the ammo used, 19~21" is the optimum barrel length. After 21", velocity does indeed increase but only by a token amount. Longer barrels make the gun heavier, increase harmonics, and are more clumsy to handle. All guns were chronographed at 10 feet from the muzzle. A 10 shot string was fired and my CED chronograph computed the average velocity for each gun. Different brands of ammo did not chrono at the same speeds but still followed the "the longer the barrel, the higher the speed" rule.

The myth about barrel friction slowing down the bullet is a bunch of crap .... at least to 25". Why? After a lead bullet has been engraved by the rifling, it takes very little pressure to push the bullet down the bore. 22 LR ammo uses a very slow burning powder .... much like H-110 where it takes about 15" of bullet travel to get a complete burn. Pressure peaks at about 24,000 psi with just an inch of bullet travel but because the powder keeps burning, continuous pressure will increase velocity .... much like a 357 Magnum cartridge in a rifle.

The condition of the bore will have a direct impact on muzzle velocity. As an example, I chronographed my old Winchester Mod 1906 (made in 1912). It has a 20" barrel but because the bore is pretty much shot out, it only clocked a speed of 1150 fps .... less than my 18.5" 10/22. As noted above, my Marlin 39A's 24" barrel almost tied the Remingtom 25" likely due to the different type of rifling.

Most experts agree ... a 19~21" barrel is optimum. Some people misinterpret that to mean velocity peaks at 19~21" when indeed it continues to increase slightly. In my above tests, The difference between my 21"Savage and my 25" Remington was only 23 fps .... but it was indeed an increase.
Great presentation, I only wish I had instruments to do this kind of work. One question (as a marlin user) I have is : is there any difference either in friction or other forces in what happens with identical ammo in microgrooves vs "conventional" rifling. I have acces of both new (18" and old 22") barrels both microgrooved. it seems to me, that the longer barrel has a much superior balance than the 18" but of course that has noting to do with the ballistics. Thanks for making an old physicists day!
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A JM stamped Marlin or one of the new CZs
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Here's a couple of targets from my new Marlin 60...first day at the range. New rifle...new scope (Simmons 22Mag 4x). 25 yards seated using a front rest. Granted 25 yards is not long distance but I think the potential is there.



a more fair comparison would have been between std vel and solid minimag since the bullet profiles and so forth are much more comparable . I have a different test I was able to do as I have an old 22" and a new 18 model 60's both with identical scopes. I have found through as careful testing as I can do that std vel has the best grouping followed by fiocchi std next is aquila super extra HV. all are close to " groups at 50 yards. in other HV ammo, norma tac22 is best with minimag solid very close and federal bluebox last at an average of " . In Hollow point, cci minimag is king at a shade over " and most of the rest are a little bigger. all my work is off a bench. rifles on bipods and rear rests all conducted at about 50 degrees and we live at 500' of altitude.
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a more fair comparison would have been between std vel and solid minimag since the bullet profiles and so forth are much more comparable .
I did...just didn't post all the targets...here it is...

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The best 22 for long distance shooting is the 220 swift!


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