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Old April 16th, 2016, 12:48 PM   #1
 
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KSA 18" fluted blue barrel issues?

I have recently built, from new, a 10/22. I have about $1,000 in this rifle and I'm fairly disappointed. It functions flawlessly, the issue is the accuracy. The barrel I installed is the KSA 18" fluted blue barrel. The best group (if you can call it that) I can get is using Winchester Super X. At 50 yards, the Super X is the only rounds I have found that can get under a 4" group. I used Dirty bird splattering targets that measure 8 1/2 x 8 1/2. Federal Auto Match hit the target 8 out of 10 times. Remington Thunderbolt hit the target 9 out of 10 times. Remington subsonic got a 6" group. Remington Golden bullets got a (close to a group) of 4 1/2" group, if it wasn't for one flyer, it would have been 1 1/2" group. Federal Champion hit the target 9 out of 10. Winchester Super X got a 2 1/2" group. These are all 10 shot groups/patterns. After determining that the super x was the most consistent, I shot a 30 round group that measures 3 1/4". I also tried Federal Premium Target, but when the first 3 shots didn't touch the target, I stopped wasting the ammo. The trigger group ($150) has a 2 lbs pull, Boyds laminate stock, custom blue rail, custom blue rings, topped with a Vortex scope. While shooting, I could swear that I could watch some of the rounds curve through the air. Even some of the holes in the target look torn to one side, much like paper tuning a bow. I sent KSA an email over a week ago when I first took it to the range, but they have yet to get back to me.

Am I missing something? other than the target?
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Old April 16th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #2
 
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First: Welcome to the forum.
Second: Don't panic.

I have never built a 10/22 so I am just speechless.It IS a beautiful rifle. I am sure you will be hearing from MANY 10/22 tinkerers soon!
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First, this is perfect example of how spending $$$ doesn't equate to what one expects it to be. Not that it helps, but I kinda wanna thank you for that. Anyways, couple questions... • Is the barrel free floated? Start floated and play around with pressure points.
• How's the fitment of the receiver into the stock?
• Rings properly aligned?
• Scope base secure?
• Proper trigger control? (gotta ask, seen otherwise from folks thinking they were doing it properly)


Set the scope back to zero get some good ammo (if you bothered spending the $ on the gun, why skimp on the ammo?) and carefully, and slowly shoot. Shoot for a group at first and not necessarily for POA.
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The barrel is free-floated, made sure of it after I took it to the range for the 1st time with the same results. A dollar bill slides easily from muzzle to receiver. Without a doubt my trigger control is proper. Between my lifetime of hunting and shooting, Marines, Marine son (who is a marksmanship instructor), I know what trigger control is. (wish CMC made a trigger for the 10/22). The rings have no choice but to be properly aligned, they were mounted on the scope first, then to the rail. Everything is tight. Like I said in my email to KSA, I can swear that I can see the bullets curving in the air. I don't mean arching, I mean moving laterally. Even the holes in the target seem to be torn to the side, like the bullets are dog tailing/tumbling, which would correlate with the bullets not following the intended flight path.
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not sure if you'll be able to see it clearly, trying to show how the holes are torn.
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hmm, with a solid rest, start at maybe, 10 yes see what the group is. Then try 25yds. how's the bore look?
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The rifle has a Harris no-cant bi-pod on it, very solid. Then I use a shooting bag/sock, sock filled with air-soft bb's, just squeeze and hold, very steady. Going back in distance would do what? prove what? I started at 25 just to get it on paper, not sure what going back to 10 would accomplish. I am about to pull the barrel off to take a close look at it.
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One of the biggest issues I've had with this barrel from day one is, I can wiggle the barrel in the receiver after I remove the retaining screws/bolts. I just measured the factory barrel where it slides into the receiver .687, the KSA barrel, taking the measurement of the same area is .686, 1/1000th smaller than factory. SLOPPY!
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Put the factory barrel back on and see what happens to the grouping.
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Good looking rifle OP.
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I have recently built, from new, a 10/22. I have about $1,000 in this rifle and I'm fairly disappointed. It functions flawlessly, the issue is the accuracy. The barrel I installed is the KSA 18" fluted blue barrel. The best group (if you can call it that) I can get is using Winchester Super X. At 50 yards, the Super X is the only rounds I have found that can get under a 4" group. I used Dirty bird splattering targets that measure 8 1/2 x 8 1/2. Federal Auto Match hit the target 8 out of 10 times. Remington Thunderbolt hit the target 9 out of 10 times. Remington subsonic got a 6" group. Remington Golden bullets got a (close to a group) of 4 1/2" group, if it wasn't for one flyer, it would have been 1 1/2" group. Federal Champion hit the target 9 out of 10. Winchester Super X got a 2 1/2" group. These are all 10 shot groups/patterns. After determining that the super x was the most consistent, I shot a 30 round group that measures 3 1/4". I also tried Federal Premium Target, but when the first 3 shots didn't touch the target, I stopped wasting the ammo. The trigger group ($150) has a 2 lbs pull, Boyds laminate stock, custom blue rail, custom blue rings, topped with a Vortex scope. While shooting, I could swear that I could watch some of the rounds curve through the air. Even some of the holes in the target look torn to one side, much like paper tuning a bow. I sent KSA an email over a week ago when I first took it to the range, but they have yet to get back to me.

Am I missing something? other than the target?
Put some Dykem or use a felt tip marker to cover the bullet and manually cycle it to see if scarring the bullet randomly and causing it to be unstable. If you can't chamber the bullet cleanly it will never shoot a tight group. There are times when too much precision makes things worse rather than better but saying that know nothing about the parts in your build other than a bigger group than a out of the box DSP from 2013. If I shoot lefty, the most comfortable visually I can get a 3/4 group 5 shots 50 yards and if most comfortable physically, righty, about 2 inches or less.

Next thought is the scope holding zero. I have a friend with a Burris scope on an AR15 that was making him crazy as from shot to shot zero moved from things loose inside the scope. Lock the gun down in a heavy vice and shoot 10 times without moving it and see if the group gets better the other thought.
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One of the biggest issues I've had with this barrel from day one is, I can wiggle the barrel in the receiver after I remove the retaining screws/bolts. I just measured the factory barrel where it slides into the receiver .687, the KSA barrel, taking the measurement of the same area is .686, 1/1000th smaller than factory. SLOPPY!


Well...it is only a $95 barrel. Compared to the rest, it is a more budget level option. once tightened down, it should be fine but... tightened evenly? just thinking if its tightened so it could full to the side that .001"? Worth a check.
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I'm going to call KSA tomorrow, I'll see what they have to say. It's likely that I will be getting a Kidd barrel. I will try a different scope, but the one I have on it is a brand new Vortex. The glass is so clear, the reason I can watch/see the bullets odd flight path. I'm not saying that it couldn't be the optics, just not likely. If so, at least Vortex will give me a new one.
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I'm going to call KSA tomorrow, I'll see what they have to say. It's likely that I will be getting a Kidd barrel. I will try a different scope, but the one I have on it is a brand new Vortex. The glass is so clear, the reason I can watch/see the bullets odd flight path. I'm not saying that it couldn't be the optics, just not likely. If so, at least Vortex will give me a new one.
possibly put the scope on a different gun even if loaning to someone at the range if the rings fit the rails is a quick test to rule that out or shoot with irons if you have the eyes for it and know I don't LOL..
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Heading back out to the range, going to try 2 things to rule out, factory barrel will be first being I already have the KSA removed, then a different scope, we have several. Will update when I get back.
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