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Old February 21st, 2013, 01:36 PM   #46
 
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Why is it that the .223 and .308 are the most unobtainable during times like these? I don't mind buying multiple guns to satisfy different tasks I just work very hard for my money and want to make the right decision for a firearm that I will be able to hand down to my children in 50 years.
Because the .223 and .308 are rounds that are owned by military types who shoot a lot. Your average .270 or .30-06 owner isn't a tactical guy and doesn't own a semi-auto likely either, so he shoots less. People that have tactical .308's or .223 AR's just shoot A LOT. They aren't hunters and they view guns as more of a lifestyle than owners of traditional rifles. Nothing wrong with those people, it's just the truth.



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I know and hunt with several people that hunt with both those calibers.
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Ok I've narrowed it down to 2 rifles!

#1 savage 111 trophy hunter combo, accutrigger, black synthetic stock, light barrel. Nikon BDC 3-9x40 scope

#2 savage 11VT combo, accutrigger, beavertail black sythetic stock, 26" heavy barrel, bushnell 4-12x40 scope
Barrel in this model was floated really high, I had to put some real force to get it to touch the barrel. May have been the accustock, but not sure. I haven't seen the stock on another savage to date.

Both rifles are $550! What do you think?
I know the scopes probably aren't the best on the combos but there definitely better than any other combos I've looked at.

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Because the .223 and .308 are rounds that are owned by military types who shoot a lot. Your average .270 or .30-06 owner isn't a tactical guy and doesn't own a semi-auto likely either, so he shoots less. People that have tactical .308's or .223 AR's just shoot A LOT. They aren't hunters and they view guns as more of a lifestyle than owners of traditional rifles. Nothing wrong with those people, it's just the truth.
some Gross generalizations there. Perhaps that's how it is in your area but not around here.
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#1 savage 111 trophy hunter combo, accutrigger, black synthetic stock, light barrel. Nikon BDC 3-9x40 scope
Good choice, great package for the price.
I'm getting the exact same rifle in the youth format for my son
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Because the .223 and .308 are rounds that are owned by military types who shoot a lot. Your average .270 or .30-06 owner isn't a tactical guy and doesn't own a semi-auto likely either, so he shoots less. People that have tactical .308's or .223 AR's just shoot A LOT. They aren't hunters and they view guns as more of a lifestyle than owners of traditional rifles. Nothing wrong with those people, it's just the truth.
But most of those shoot 'mils-spec' ammo that meets the 3-4moa 'milspec' accuracy requirement. I use surplus 556 and 7.62 NATO ammo in my rifles, but only to get a gross zero when I mount a new optic or sight on a rifle.
I shoot a lot but I also reload a lot.
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some Gross generalizations there. Perhaps that's how it is in your area but not around here.
Fungun, brimic, please explain to me then why they fly off the shelves faster than everything else. If I'm wrong I am, it just seems to be the case in my experience. I'd also like to add that to my point that people like to shoot .223 rifles far more than they do the .30-06 or .308, for obvious reasons. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people who shoot a lot are more likely to buy .308's or .223's.
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Fungun, brimic, please explain to me then why they fly off the shelves faster than everything else. If I'm wrong I am, it just seems to be the case in my experience. I'd also like to add that to my point that people like to shoot .223 rifles far more than they do the .30-06 or .308, for obvious reasons. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people who shoot a lot are more likely to buy .308's or .223's.
I'm simply saying there are more guns for those cartridges out there which means more people shopping for them as well. Peoples shooting habits vary widely but they buy ammo for what they own regardless. Whats interesting is through most of the ammo scarcity currently hitting I've always been able to find some form of 12 gauge. Lots of people shoot a lot of 12 gauge but the ammo hoarders don't seem to focus on that as much, at least not around here. Well not including this ammo hoarder that is
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I'm simply saying there are more guns for those cartridges out there which means more people shopping for them as well. Peoples shooting habits vary widely but they buy ammo for what they own regardless. Whats interesting is through most of the ammo scarcity currently hitting I've always been able to find some form of 12 gauge. Lots of people shoot a lot of 12 gauge but the ammo hoarders don't seem to focus on that as much, at least not around here. Well not including this ammo hoarder that is
I haven't noticed much of a shortage of shotgun ammo either. I can't touch .22 LR or .22 WMR ammo right now, though. Luckily, I don't need any ammo right now.....
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I haven't noticed much of a shortage of shotgun ammo either. I can't touch .22 LR or .22 WMR ammo right now, though. Luckily, I don't need any ammo right now.....
22WMR has always been on the shelf at walmart through all of this. Just very few people shoot it around here. Honestly surprised they stock it but glad since I'm getting a few guns for it.

Sorry for the sidebar though on the topic. Did the OP decide on cartridges for those Savage rifles?

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Ok I've narrowed it down to 2 rifles!

#1 savage 111 trophy hunter combo, accutrigger, black synthetic stock, light barrel. Nikon BDC 3-9x40 scope

#2 savage 11VT combo, accutrigger, beavertail black sythetic stock, 26" heavy barrel, bushnell 4-12x40 scope
Barrel in this model was floated really high, I had to put some real force to get it to touch the barrel. May have been the accustock, but not sure. I haven't seen the stock on another savage to date.

Both rifles are $550! What do you think?
I know the scopes probably aren't the best on the combos but there definitely better than any other combos I've looked at.
What cartouches?
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What cartouches?
Both come in .223 and .308 so no worries there.
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Both come in .223 and .308 so no worries there.
I'd say go .308 in that case. Can't you get the non-combo version? If you can, get either a Redfield Revolution (made by Leupold now, has lifetime guarantee) or a Leupold Rifleman (lifetime guarantee). Both scopes sell used for under 225$ and new for about 269-299 new. From what I understand they're both great scopes for the price, and I'm partial to Leupold as their scopes are top-notch plus you get the lifetime guarantee.
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I'd say go .308 in that case. Can't you get the non-combo version? If you can, get either a Redfield Revolution (made by Leupold now, has lifetime guarantee) or a Leupold Rifleman (lifetime guarantee). Both scopes sell used for under 225$ and new for about 269-299 new. From what I understand they're both great scopes for the price, and I'm partial to Leupold as their scopes are top-notch plus you get the lifetime guarantee.
Well I just got off the phone with savage. The gun is a dicks only exclusive. Here's the specs:
-24" heavy barrel
-9:1 twist
-accutrigger
-black synthetic stock (not accustock)
-4-12x40 bushnell scope
$549-$599

Still torn between the 2! But I'm closer!!!
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Well I just got off the phone with savage. The gun is a dicks only exclusive. Here's the specs:
-24" heavy barrel
-9:1 twist
-accutrigger
-black synthetic stock (not accustock)
-4-12x40 bushnell scope
$549-$599

Still torn between the 2! But I'm closer!!!
Either guns fine really, it's just that if you're going to have 1 rifle for right now the .308 IMO would be the one. If you're not so worried about the bigger stuff right now, then you're fine either way. Pick whatever says "take me home" to you!
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