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Old September 12th, 2012, 07:09 PM   #1
 
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30-30 ammo in lever action-safety

I have an older Winchester 30-30 lever action, the one where you load the magazine through the little port on the right side. I've heard that the only ammo I should use is the kind with a soft tip because of the possibility of the nose of one bullet striking and firing off the primer/bullet in front of it in the magazine when you fire the weapon. Now since this design has been around for a LONG time, and the soft tip bullets only a short time, I figure there must be some safety in the old style bullets. I have a box of rounds and the tips aren't exactly sharp, but it's not a round nose either. Just wondering how safe/unsafe it is to shoot rounds like this? Just wondering if I should only shoot one round at a time. Not a big deal unless I need for defense and have to load more than a round at a time. I can get some of the soft-tip rounds next time I'm at the store, but was just wondering what to do with the box of ammo I have now?

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I have an older Winchester 30-30 .... the tips aren't exactly sharp, but it's not a round nose either. Just wondering how safe/unsafe it is to shoot rounds like this? ...... I can get some of the soft-tip rounds next time I'm at the store, but was just wondering what to do with the box of ammo I have now?

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with out seeing them (what does the above actually mean?) i can't tell. There is also no mention of what the tips are made of.

I do know that the old safety about not using pointed bullets is valid, thus the blunt, lead 'Power Point' that so many have used over the years. The new Leveroution bullets is supposed to cure that problem with its plastic tips and they breath new ballistic life into the old dirty-dirty because of the better bullet shape.

Still worried? Then just don't shoot them..
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What kind of ammo is it you have? is it factory for 30-30? a soft round or flat tip work best, anything hard and pointed could act like a fireing pin on the round ahead of it from the shock of the gun being fireing. do you have pic's of the ammo in question?
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If it's flat or round AND lead contacting the round in front you're fine.
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MOST current factory .30-30 is round nose or flat point or hollowpoint. All of which is safe to use in any mechanically sound lever action .30-30 made from 1894 on up. You can also safely use Hornady Leverevolution because if the soft pointed tip. About the only ammo you don't want more than one round in the mag tube would be Remington Accelerators which hardly anyone uses these days. You can shoot pointed tip bullets if you are a handloader and stick to one round in the chamber and one in the magazine....but the Hornady ammo solves that and lets you have a full mag tube and do it safely.
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What is the correct Lever action round?

All very good and sound advice. I have put a lot of rounds through mine, all round or flat lead bullets.
Not to hijack this thread but has anyone ever heard of or seen affects of rounds being fired within the magazine of a lever action rifle? I have not, only warnings.
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I use Sierra 2020 bullets in my Marlin..The safety thing is a FMJ type bullet can in fact fire off in the loader causing a chain reaction and real chaos.. I reload but I am sure there are other forms of this bullet around..It is a hollow point albeit small that will not cause the problem for you..

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All very good and sound advice. I have put a lot of rounds through mine, all round or flat lead bullets.
Not to hijack this thread but has anyone ever heard of or seen affects of rounds being fired within the magazine of a lever action rifle? I have not, only warnings.
Nope never seen it..BUT I don't think I want to chance it either..After 65 yrs of hunting I still have both eyes and all my fingers..I really want to go out with what I came with..Heheh

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I just bought a Glenfield in darn good shape. I'm using the Federal power shock 170 gr. I'm waiting for the calender to clear so I can go to the range and make some noise. The ammo was recomended by the dealer who pointed out the dangers of "pointy" bullets. My first center fire rifle. I Enjoy going to the range, now maybe it is time to do a little hunting. Stick with the hollow point or soft point and have fun!
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All very good and sound advice. I have put a lot of rounds through mine, all round or flat lead bullets.
Not to hijack this thread but has anyone ever heard of or seen affects of rounds being fired within the magazine of a lever action rifle? I have not, only warnings.
I have also never seen this happen, but I'm certain it is absolute chaos for the firearm and its user. I mean, Will ya just look at the size of that bullet? That would make a mess!
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All very good and sound advice. I have put a lot of rounds through mine, all round or flat lead bullets.
Not to hijack this thread but has anyone ever heard of or seen affects of rounds being fired within the magazine of a lever action rifle? I have not, only warnings.
I've never seen it or heard of it happening either, and I suspect there is a large element of 'old wives tale' attached to it as well.

Even if you used a FMJ spitzer bullet in a 30-30 with a tube magazine, the chances of one round popping the primer in front of it is nil.
Because of the rim and the considerable taper of the cartridge, the cartridges don't sit straight in the tube, they sit a bit cockeyed with the tip of one bullet pushing agains the edge of the rim of the one in front of it sort of like the diagram below though much less exaggerated:
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Almost all 30-30 factory cartridges (with exception of Hornady Leverevolution) had a wide flat point or a wide round nose which is needed for good expansion at relatively low velocities for a rifle bullet.
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I wouldn't risk it and stick with what factory uses flat or round nose or Hornady Leverevolution bullets.The old Remington pump model 14/141 has spiral grooves in its tubular mag to prevent pointed bullets from contacting primers not sure the 30-30s rim is enough to absolutely prevent primer contact.
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