luvtofish40

Hey guys, just got back from my local range and sighted in my savage model 111 rifle in 30-06. I shot 3 rounds about 3\4 inch group at 50 yards, all shots were touching, two of them were almost through the same hole. I never got a chance to sight in at 100 yards because the range was so busy. So I decided to jump out to 200 yards it was less busy on that side, once I got set up I started shooting, I was all over the board! I don't know what happened? I have had the rifle for some time and never shot it because I never had good glass! I just bought a Bushnell elite tactical scope, it's a 5x15 power. So my question is why would my groups have such a drastic change? I was shooting 3.5 to 4 inches high at 200, and roughly 2 inches right? I know trigger control has a lot to do with accuracy, and getting the correct wind reading. Any suggestions??

actionexpress

If it's a 1/4" scope adjustment - 16 clicks down, and 8 clicks left.

gunaddict826

Wouldn't that be for adjustment at 100 yards?

Sportdog7

You say the shots were all over the board, this leads me to believe that either your scope has broken or your scope mounts are loose.

Rizzle O

+1 i have this same rifle but in .300 wm and had the same problem, loose mounts did it.

Marine Division Two

I will attest that Savage are probably the most accurate rigles in the firearm industry,with the most reasonable prices also,to accompany these fine shooters should no less deserve a quality scope,Leupold,Nikon,ETC. this combo is un-surpassable,good luck

luvtofish40

Thanks guys for the imput, after looking over the rifle I found that the rear mount was a little loose! I believe that bushnell elite series are of high quality, up in the ranks of high end Leupold and nikon rilfe scopes. The rings I have mounted are Leupold QRW quick detachable, mounted on a millett picatinny rail. With such high recoil on the rifle I should have lock tight all the screws to insure that the platform was not going to get loose. Something I have over looked! Thanks again guys!

Spike12

Remember to focus on group size before messing with the scope.

luvtofish40

Very good point! I have never owned a center fire rifle untill this one, so understanding bullet drop and POI is all new to me. I am really intrigue by the sport of long range shooting! I have shot rimfire for a long time but never over 150 yards, so this kind of info is great!

Pat-inCO

One or two things to keep in mind about trajectory:

If you were dead on at fifty yards I would think you would be shooting low at 100 yards. The "line of sight" (LOS) is straight and the bullet starts below the LOS, crosses at about twenty five yards, goes above LOS and drops back down, hopefully at your desired distance. If you want it sighted in at 200 yards, it will be somewhere near one inch high at 100 yards (this is approximate and varies with bullet weight and muzzle velocity).

Second point is about 'scope adjustment. All that I have seen are adjusted in Minutes Of Angle (MOA) which is just slightly more than one inch at one hundred yards (.06" off, if memory serves me). That would be two inches at two hundred yards, three at three hundred, etc. . . . The "clicks" on the scope are MOA - - OR - - portions of MOA, per click. With the scope you talk about, it could easily be 1/2 or 1/4 MOA per click. Thus if you were four inches high and two inches right at 100 yards (presuming 1/2 MOA click) it would be 8 clicks down and four left to have it dead on.

Have fun, shoot safe.

Spike12

Ah good, I didn't want my point taken wrong...

You might also try a few different brands and weights of ammo to find which one groups best in your particular rifle, *then* zero the scope and stick with that ammo. you will see, sometimes big, differences between them.

Brand X 180g will not hit the exact same as Brand Y 180g and muzzle velocity will will certainly mix yhings up too.

Have Fun, it's a great sport!

lafflin rand

The savage 110 series has always been a best buy in terms of accuracy vs cost. I have never owned one just because. I have shot friends ones and they are more accurate on average than most other fifles iin twice their price range.

Sportdog7

I had a Savage 110 in 30-06 and it was deadly accurate! I had a friend that needed a gun for a hunt and he liked it so much he bought it! I made a few bucks on the deal. But I was lucky and won a Rem. 700 30-06 at a outdoor event a few months later, another tack driver. The Rem. 700 and the Rem. Model 7 in 308 have filled all my big game needs and both are quite accurate when feed the right ammo. It really makes a difference so shoot several brands & different ammo weights and you will find one that gives you markedly better groups!! And I always use lock-tite on my scope mounts, glad it was a simple fix.

WSM

The Bushnell Elite scopes are great. I almost put one on my Savage Model 10 but I decided to go with a Vortex Diamondback instead. Good scopes and good guns aren't worth a damn without good mounts. I use DNZ Game Reaper mounts and they work great. Glad to hear you figured out your problem.

brimic

1. 3 round groups don't tell you much, if anything.
2. 3/4" groups at 50 yards = 3" groups at 200 yards minimum, when you throw in wind and other factors, groups only get bigger.
3. 50 yards isn't enough distance to determine if the ammo you are using works well with your rifle.

A 50 yard zero should be very close at 200 yards, and will be 1-2" high at 100 yards depending on the velocity. With a 50 yard zero, you are moving your first crossing out to 50 yards, so the bullet will still be rising in relation to the sights after 50 yards.