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Old July 4th, 2011, 08:28 PM   #1
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The AK Rifles!

Gentlemen I would like to know your opinions of the AK-47 verses the AK-74 rifles please. I was once told that the Bulgarian AK-47 was the very best model but that was some time ago and I know squat about either the 47 model or the 74 model. So please feel free to enlighten me and perhaps I come up a little wiser in the end. Thank you folks!



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Old July 4th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #2
 
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47's fire 7.62x39
74's fire 5.45x39

So there is a fair bit of difference in how they do what they do caliber-wise. Mechanically, not much if any difference that makes much a difference.

From country to country there are some interesting variations on how the back of the reciever is treated and of course milled vs stamped recievers. Milled was long thought the best and certainly are more expensive to produce. Recent stampings produced in the US of thicker than original spec steels for use by "build it myself" hobbyists are pretty strong competition. As the .gov trys to make it harder for hobbyists (bans on importing kits with barrels) companies in the US start jumping up and producing barrels . . . often of better than original quality. The state of the AK available in the US today is pretty good regardless of model and far more dependent on who puts together the kit (Century Arms having a significantly poor reputation).

Just a start on one of my favorite topics (AKs), time for bed. I'll be back after I put my 96 hours in to check the thread.
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Simple, and fun to shoot, IMHO!
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once you get past the caliber you want, check out arsenal SGL-21 models. they're russian made, modified here in Vegas. they run in the $800 range. they seem to be a sweet spot between some of the cheaper romanian WASRs that are in the $400 range and the high end milled russian models that are in the $1500 range (the SGL-21 is stamped)
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If you go 7.62X39 take a real look the the SKS.The reason Russian went to the AK was for full auto not because it was better and if you are getting a semi auto the SKS is stouter
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Have to agree with Will{surprise huh} the Simonov is a better peice of kit, the AK is a peasant's rifle at best, they work well but that's about all they have going for them. The much preffered Russian made Simonov complete with laminated stock is a rather good rifle overall, more accurate and much more user friendly than the AK.
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I own TWO AK74's. Cheap ammo, and it's russia's counter to the .556 nato round. I LOVE them, like them more the AR's TBH.. Russia makes the best AK's, followed by Bulgaria, then it's a toss up either Hungry or Poland. A arsenal is 800 and they are great! Only problem is they have real crappy finishes
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[QUOTE=KKBMTGG/go army;413421]Have to agree with Will{surprise huh} the Simonov is a better peice of kit, the AK is a peasant's rifle at best, they work well but that's about all they have going for them. The much preffered Russian made Simonov complete with laminated stock is a rather good rifle overall, more accurate and much more user friendly than the AK.[/QUOTE

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Have to agree with Will{surprise huh} the Simonov is a better peice of kit, the AK is a peasant's rifle at best, they work well but that's about all they have going for them. The much preffered Russian made Simonov complete with laminated stock is a rather good rifle overall, more accurate and much more user friendly than the AK.[/QUOTE

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the AK is a peasant's rifle at best, they work well but that's about all they have going for them.
what else does a rifle need? it works, every time, regardless of conditions. its easy to use. they are reasonably accurate, have reasonable firepower, and function perfectly for their role--killing people. what exactly is the flaw with the rifle?
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I sold off my Norinco SKS when I bought my Romanian SAR-1 (AK47 clone) and I miss my SKS dearly. Whatever you do, think hard about the plethora of 7.62x39 there is out there and all the extra crap you can do with an AK or SKS but the AK74 stuff is usually thin pickings. My Rommy has trigger slap, is stamped junk, and patterns at a hunred yards are two inches at best with crap Wolf ammo. But I bet I could fix it with a welding torch if I ever manage to break something. And 47 mags are all over. Lots of reasons to favor the 7.62x39 and reasons for the SKS vs. the AK are personal. I think the SKS makes a better rifle, but you may have more giggle factor with the AK if that is just a fun gun goal. I still want my Norinco back.
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Russia makes the best AK's
Ahem... just to spread some information about the AK family rifles to fellow forum members.

Rk 62 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Modern Firearms - Valmet Sako Rk.62 / 76 / 95

I know, I know. It is a variant but still. I do own both rifles (well the AK is a AK-103 and the Rk is the version 95TP) as a semi and I must say that the only things common with these two rifles are the cartridge and the reliability.

AK is a peasants tool I agree with that but the Rk is a rifle. 3 - 4 inch groups to 150m with iron sights is not a wonder if the shooter knows what hes doing. And yes, we are talking about AK family type of a rifle here.

If you can find one of these try to get it because the prices have gone double even triple within the past decade.

Just my 2 cents.
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I own one of the dreaded Century Arms Romanian AK's, and I must say it's one fun piece. I refinished all the furniture with stain and many coats of lacquer (looked like it was rough cut out of an old picnic table). Also, the rifle came slathered in grease, and the whole thing had to be field-stripped and cleaned before I even put one round through it.

This rifle is decently accurate with the red-dot sight I put on it, and has never failed to fire, cycle, eject... anything. Since I got it, I've put thousands of rounds through it without a hitch. The only problem has been that the barrel has gotten so hot that it bubbled up some of the fancy lacquer I applied to the foregrip I'm aware that the Century AK's have a horrendous reputation, probably deservedly so, but mine has provided many hours of shooting pleasure with zilch issues. Just my $0.02.
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1AK cost the price as 2SKS better gun twice the fun
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what else does a rifle need? it works, every time, regardless of conditions. its easy to use. they are reasonably accurate, have reasonable firepower, and function perfectly for their role--killing people. what exactly is the flaw with the rifle?


Not a thing sir if that's enough for you. It is a peasants rifle because it was designed to be useable be a non professional, poorly trained, illiterate, conscript "force" as it were. The Russian Army is not that of course but the reasons I mentioned is why this rifle was easily able to, as comrad Kalashnikov stated, "march around the world"
The problem with the AK is as follows...Poor accuracy, poor sights, terrible safety, to many sharp edges, rattles way to much for tacticle application, inconsistant manufacture/construction and horrible ergonomics, these things are not user friendly.
The upside, they are tough and while you're just as likely to miss your target as hit it past 150 meters, they will go bang. As a knock around camp type gun They do OK but I am a rifleman and as such, they don't make the grade.
The M-43 is the best thing about the AK, this is a very effective round at moderate ranges and when coupled with a quality rifle can deliver accuracy comparable to most of the worlds better .30 caliber rounds.
This has been my considerable experience with this rifle, on the givin and receivin side of things over literally decades, your experience may be different.
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