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Old January 15th, 2017, 09:27 AM   #1
 
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I have reached a decision on an AR, still need help

I closed the other threads so it would be less confusing.... I felt this needed its own thread. So I was talking this over with my "old" lady.... And I nervously discussed the idea of spending $1200 right now. I just started a new job, received a $9 an hour pay increase as well.... So I am making enough money to spend a lot on my hobbies, but the effect of the new and improved paychecks will not allow for that immediately. So, she said "why not buy two guns?"

BOOOM. Great idea. Buy a sub-$1000 AR-15 in 5.56 and then LATER this year buy one in 7.62. So I now wish to spend $800 for a 5.56 AR-15, then spend the rest of the money on ammo and optics. Then, buy the 7.62 AR with a larger budget. SO, what AR-15 should I buy in the $800 range? I kind of want to spend enough to get a good scope and a boat load of ammo, so if there's a $650 option that's better yet. This will be my HD, varmint, truck/target rifle. I need no frills just a working rifle that I can accessorize. I looked at the Rugr AR556 and S&W MP15.... But which of these two is better or is there another better option? What AR/scope combo works best? Should I stay iron sighted?

Note the later acquisition of a 7.62 AR WILL NOT be a budget AR. I will spend $2000 on that rifle.... or more. This is my HD/fun gun and the later 7.62 will be my premium AR.



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I am grossly ill-informed on AR's.. I am learning as much as I can and how to field strip them and stuff. So I am not "in the know".
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If you are convinced on an AR platform look at Windham Weaponry's line. It's a way better build then Ruger's AR line up in my opinion. I've owned both Ruger's and WW's. The conclusion I reached is that WW's quality and fit and finish is better then Ruger. I've owned both the AR556 and the SR556. Nothing really impressive about them.

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If you are convinced on an AR platform look at Windham Weaponry's line. It's a way better build then Ruger's AR line up in my opinion. I've owned both Ruger's and WW's. The conclusion I reached is that WW's quality and fit and finish is better then Ruger. I've owned both the AR556 and the SR556. Nothing really impressive about them.
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The AR556 felt like another "me too" product. The SR556 has a thicker barrel and is piston driven. It's actually pretty good but they are $$$$.

Theres nothing wrong with the Rugers but they don't stand out either.
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I'm sorry I read that you were looking at a budget AR chambered in 5.56 and later you will buy a 7.62 worth some money down the road.

The AR556 is good for the price if you treat as a basic gas impingement AR. The barrel isn't as thick as the SR556. I had both at one point but sold them. I haven't held or looked at the smith and Wesson version of the AR556.

I don't think you would go wrong with either.

I had a lot of issues sighting both of mine in at first.
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I'm sorry I read that you were looking at a budget AR chambered in 5.56 and later you will buy a 7.62 worth some money down the road.

The AR556 is good for the price if you treat as a basic gas impingement AR. The barrel isn't as thick as the SR556. I had both at one point but sold them. I haven't held or looked at the smith and Wesson version of the AR556.

I don't think you would go wrong with either.

I had a lot of issues sighting both of mine in at first.
Yes, the reason for that is I was trying to find "best of both worlds" AR for hunting big game, HD, plinking, and so on. So it would be best if I just bought a budget for gun and hd, then spend the big $$$ on the long range/big game hunting AR. So a budget AR-15 and a high quality AR-10 are what I'm looking for. Budget AR first.
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Ruger and S&W make good rifles overall. I lean toward the M&P because of the barrel treatment. Windham makes good rifles. Colt's 6920 is basically the industry's standard rifle. You can even piece together a quality rifle from sights such as Palmetto State Armory.

I'm a fan of iron sights AND an optic. I like a red dot that cowitnesses with the iron sights.
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Ruger and S&W make good rifles overall. I lean toward the M&P because of the barrel treatment. Windham makes good rifles. Colt's 6920 is basically the industry's standard rifle. You can even piece together a quality rifle from sights such as Palmetto State Armory.

I'm a fan of iron sights AND an optic. I like a red dot that cowitnesses with the iron sights.
I think a red dot may be the best choice *but* I will see how it shoots with the irons first. I am very familiar with shooting with iron sights and I do very well with the aperture sights on Enfield .303's. If I like the sights, I'll keep them. I do want a gun I can accessorize so I will replace the trigger on whatever AR's I get if they aren't satisfactory. Good trigger and simple optics *unless* I like the irons.

I may end up buying like 5 of these things lmao. One for every style of use
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Trig, I have a few suggestions.

The Dpms is a a great rifle and very cost effective. They are the second largest manufacturer of AR rifles in the world. The are also a major supplier to the military aka Defense Procurement Manufacturing Service. I own a few of them, and never experienced anything negative about them.

Delton, made here in Eastern North Carolina. A great business thats also cost effective, and has great customer service, just what I would expect from a company from here. Never an issue with their rifles either.

The smith mp15 is a good rifle thats cost effective as well.

One of my favorites is Rock River Arms, they cost a little bit more than the others but are great rifles, and come with a national match trigger as standard. I own a few of them, always pleased with their performance.

Olympic arms also makes some affordable ar rifles, and is one of the only companies that makes all their parts in house, most do not.

As far as the Colt, Armalite, Bushmaster etc, they are good rifles, but your paying in some cases way more for the name.

Hey trig where are you in NC now, I would be willing to let you shoot mine, and see what you like, and do not like, if your close enough. Pm me if need be. I have several from base rifles to high ends, light to heavy, short to long, in my collection.
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If you do decide to use a red dot you should sight in your iron sights first and then adjust the red dot to hover right on the top of your front sight.
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Ruger and S&W make good rifles overall. I lean toward the M&P because of the barrel treatment. Windham makes good rifles. Colt's 6920 is basically the industry's standard rifle. You can even piece together a quality rifle from sights such as Palmetto State Armory.

I'm a fan of iron sights AND an optic. I like a red dot that cowitnesses with the iron sights.
TC you are wise to close the other thread. Stick to a very basic rifle that fits your needs. All of the hype BS on custom calibers just makes things more expensive etc. Neon has given you as good of advice that I could do so I 2nd Neon's suggestions. Best of all go to s shooting range & rent ont or two of the rifles mentioned then decide good luck!!!
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I think a red dot may be the best choice *but* I will see how it shoots with the irons first. I am very familiar with shooting with iron sights and I do very well with the aperture sights on Enfield .303's. If I like the sights, I'll keep them. I do want a gun I can accessorize so I will replace the trigger on whatever AR's I get if they aren't satisfactory. Good trigger and simple optics *unless* I like the irons.

I may end up buying like 5 of these things lmao. One for every style of use
TC I'm an old dog that is reluctant to try new tricks but man, the first time I shot my M4gery with a red dot reflex (set up lower 1/3) , I was like whaaaat! Red dots make shooing stupid easy for practical accuracy at practical ranges.

Even with my not so spectacular eyesight, moderate astigmatism included, using the red dot was super duper easy to pick up. I will only use open sights as a backup from here on.
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Trig, I have a few suggestions.

The Dpms is a a great rifle and very cost effective. They are the second largest manufacturer of AR rifles in the world. The are also a major supplier to the military aka Defense Procurement Manufacturing Service. I own a few of them, and never experienced anything negative about them.

Delton, made here in Eastern North Carolina. A great business thats also cost effective, and has great customer service, just what I would expect from a company from here. Never an issue with their rifles either.

The smith mp15 is a good rifle thats cost effective as well.

One of my favorites is Rock River Arms, they cost a little bit more than the others but are great rifles, and come with a national match trigger as standard. I own a few of them, always pleased with their performance.

Olympic arms also makes some affordable ar rifles, and is one of the only companies that makes all their parts in house, most do not.

As far as the Colt, Armalite, Bushmaster etc, they are good rifles, but your paying in some cases way more for the name.

Hey trig where are you in NC now, I would be willing to let you shoot mine, and see what you like, and do not like, if your close enough. Pm me if need be. I have several from base rifles to high ends, light to heavy, short to long, in my collection.
PM sent! Thanks to everyone so far... I'm a newbie to modern sporting rifles so ANY tips or advice is a major help. I ave been bludgeoning myself with AR facts and info about certain brands... Good to hear from people on here for sure!
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If you do decide to use a red dot you should sight in your iron sights first and then adjust the red dot to hover right on the top of your front sight.
Yeah I will.... the more I think about it I probably won't scope this one, maybe a red dot. As my HD/plinker I should leave the scope for the 7.62 AR and make that my premium target/hunting outfit.
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