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Old January 15th, 2017, 01:53 PM   #16
 
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Would suggest a RRA or BCM. Those are solid builds with car taken to upper to lower fit. The RRA used to come with a MOA guarantee. You don't need all the accessories, but you should consider what you need on the gun. You already have hunting weapons so I would suggest a good fighting capable AR15.

BCM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/E8u0pyoBgbE/hqdefault.jpg

RRA
https://www.rockriverarms.com/images...ts/mida415.gif

Just for examples.

When you get into ARs try to ask people who are armorers, real life endusers of the product, or people who can explain in engineering, experienced based, or metalurgically why brand X is better than Y, etc.




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Old January 15th, 2017, 02:17 PM   #17
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I'm going to vote again to build your own. You will be surprised at how easy this is to do. I also second Palmetto state armory for a build kit, I was just looking a couple of days ago and a very decent build kit was on sale for $499 minus a stripped lower which was also on sale for $49.99. If you do go with an ar15 in .223 then I suggest the 223wylde chamber as this will give you the best of both worlds in .223 and 5.56. The .223 wylde is a chamber with 5.56 dimensional tolerances and a .223 length throat for accuracy
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I'm going to vote again to build your own. You will be surprised at how easy this is to do. I also second Palmetto state armory for a build kit, I was just looking a couple of days ago and a very decent build kit was on sale for $499 minus a stripped lower which was also on sale for $49.99. If you do go with an ar15 in .223 then I suggest the 223wylde chamber as this will give you the best of both worlds in .223 and 5.56. The .223 wylde is a chamber with 5.56 dimensional tolerances and a .223 length throat for accuracy
So if I buy the upper kit for $499, and then the stripped lower, then the only additional expenses would be my own customizations?

Take for example this: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...ite-43526.html
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I'm not an ar pro, but Anderson makes some pretty good stuff. Cheap but not cheaply made. Definitely not top of the line but a very good value. Think ruger sr9 vs glock 17.
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So if I buy the upper kit for $499, and then the stripped lower, then the only additional expenses would be my own customizations?

Take for example this: PSA 16" Stainless Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1:7 Freedom Rifle Kit with MBUS Rear Sight- 77932955
Thats affirmative trig, just need a stripped lower, and tools to complete.

Here are some other alternatives.

Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 16" Rifle Kit

Here is a great kit from rra, with a 2 stage match trigger. You can buy a stripped lower for $50-$100 depending on make.

Rock River Arms: .223/5.56mm Kits

A complete rifle thats hard to beat as a basic gun is this one. Don't let its msrp scare you, it can be bought for $800, have seen them go for $750.

Rock River Arms: LAR-15 CAR A4
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So if I buy the upper kit for $499, and then the stripped lower, then the only additional expenses would be my own customizations?

Take for example this: PSA 16" Stainless Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1:7 Freedom Rifle Kit with MBUS Rear Sight- 77932955
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Seems very doable... What tools do I need? Obviously stuff like a hammer/mallet, needle nose pliers or something is *probably* needed... But I'm sure punches or other stuff is needed. What would be the basic starter kit aside from stuff I'm already going to have (basic tools)? Barrel nut wrench? I'm assuming head space gauges? Does someone like Brownell's sell this stuff as an "AR builder set?'
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Lots of good choices

First off beautiful German Shepard, my avatar is ours 6 years ago.

I and a friend of mine both have Ruger AR556s and two other friends of mine have the S&W sport. Both seem to be good guns for what they cost. If you are going to toss it around, so to speak, might be easier to do with a $650 rifle than a $850 rifle.

It was probably mentioned some where but Ruger usually has great customer service if you have any problems.
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So if I buy the upper kit for $499, and then the stripped lower, then the only additional expenses would be my own customizations?

Take for example this: PSA 16" Stainless Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1:7 Freedom Rifle Kit with MBUS Rear Sight- 77932955
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Seems very doable... What tools do I need? Obviously stuff like a hammer/mallet, needle nose pliers or something is *probably* needed... But I'm sure punches or other stuff is needed. What would be the basic starter kit aside from stuff I'm already going to have (basic tools)? Barrel nut wrench? I'm assuming head space gauges? Does someone like Brownell's sell this stuff as an "AR builder set?'
As far as tools, if you buy the kit, you will not need alot of the tools that you would need if you were building from scratch. To complete a lower you will need these tools.

Car stock wrench
Lower receiver vise block, (dpms lower magwell delrin block is what I use) in a bench vise.
Ar roll pin holder punch set ( brownells)
Grace center punch set ( brownells also) or equivalent
Allen head, t wrench, or screw driver for grip screw.
Hammer.
Loctite. Purple or blue.

Think thats about it.

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If you are convinced on an AR platform look at Windham Weaponry's line. It's a way better build then Ruger's AR line up in my opinion. I've owned both Ruger's and WW's. The conclusion I reached is that WW's quality and fit and finish is better then Ruger. I've owned both the AR556 and the SR556. Nothing really impressive about them.
Funny as can be considering the management at Windham Weaponry is the same team that ran the old Bushmaster company in the ground.
Truth be told when it comes to the sub $800 AR's their all pretty much the same except for maybe some of the furniture and the pretty logo on the receiver.
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As far as tools, if you buy the kit, you will not need alot of the tools that you would need if you were building from scratch. To complete a lower you will need these tools.

Car stock wrench
Lower receiver vise block, (dpms lower magwell delrin block is what I use) in a bench vise.
Ar roll pin holder punch set ( brownells)
Grace center punch set ( brownells also) or equivalent
Allen head, t wrench, or screw driver for grip screw.
Hammer.
Loctite. Purple or blue.

Think thats about it.
I count the bench vise as a needed item.

Start by reading this (I did) https://thearmsguide.com/2905/how-to...uide-part-one/
Plus he links to videos in the article for a visual hands on
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I count the bench vise as a needed item.
I agree, just didn't consider it an "AR" specific tool.

Hey trig here is another book that will give you the nuts and bolts for assembling the ar, I keep one around for reference, among other books.



http://www.fulton-armory.com/thear-1...rownar-15.aspx
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Funny as can be considering the management at Windham Weaponry is the same team that ran the old Bushmaster company in the ground.
Truth be told when it comes to the sub $800 AR's their all pretty much the same except for maybe some of the furniture and the pretty logo on the receiver.
I was told it wasn't the same management, it was a small faction of the people at Bushmaster who weren't happy with their acquisition by Remington.
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Building your own is great. But in my opinion, for a first time AR buyer, who doesn't have the tools already, he would be better off to just buy a ready to go factory rifle. At this point, he likely has no idea what he WANTS in an AR. How could you if you never owned one. I didn't, so I bought both a Ruger and an S&W. Sold the Ruger and kept the M&P sport, because there were some things I liked better. The AR market is overwhelming with options, so I was better off with the base rifle, shooting it and THEN making changes as I saw fit. Now I have owned a few, built a few and know what I like or want. And some things I thought I wanted at first, I changed my mind after I got the rifle. I would just suggest he buy a DPMS or M&P Sport and get his feet wet
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Do yourself a favor and look at some of the different ARs at some gun shops. Particularly note the quality of the bolt carrier group (such as whether the gas key is staked or not). Also the fit (tightness) and finish should reflect quality. BCM and Spikes Tactical should be in your range, and they both make good products. WB
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