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Old January 12th, 2017, 01:05 PM   #1
 
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Neglected Mil-Surps

My shooting has revolved around hunting rifles, rim-fire plinking, single-action Rugers, and defensive handguns for the last couple of years. I recently opened the safe containing my old military rifles to give them all a wipe-down. As I held all that vintage wood and steel I was again moved by the history of these old weapons of war. The stories they could tell if they could talk! They all shoot well and are accurate, but loading a Mosin Nagant or Enfield with stripper clips takes technique and practice. The Mauser loads much easier, but my Garand and it's 8rd enbloc clips rules the roost for loading speed (and rate of fire). I guess I can put my ancient AR-15 in the mil-surp category since it is built from an M16A1 parts kit. I bought it all the way back in 1984, but it has been upgraded along the way. I need to get these ladies to the range!
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Old January 12th, 2017, 02:04 PM   #2
 
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Nice collection. I'd love to own it.
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I like 'em all. Shoot 'em!
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Very nice collection!

They sure don't look neglected.

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I can agree, my gewehr 98 (the 98k's father) I wish could talk. It does take technique to load those stripper clips for it. No single loading on that one unless you load it in the magazine first. The garand I have, october 43, very accurate and fun, always love the last round, then the ping. My sks is in original configuration, wood and steel, and I load it by stripper clip as well, no aftermarket plastic or high cap mags for it. Always enjoy shooting my national match m1a, m1 carbine, and retro ar's as well. They just have character. Shot a friends stock mosin nagant in competiton a while back, 3 shots at 100 yards 1&1/8" group. 200 yards was 2.5" group, that says alot for a bone stock surplus rifle, with steel case russian ammo. The range master started calling me vladmir after that.
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Nice collection. I'd love to own it.
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Very nice collection!

They sure don't look neglected.

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Neglected only in the sense that they don't get shot enough. They all shoot and work well. The Garand is the most fun. Semi-auto .30-06 firepower with greatly reduced recoil compared to similar bolt-action battle rifles. The Yugo M24/47 8mm Mauser is a fine gun. It's accurate and smooth operating. The Jungle Carbine was Bubba 'smithed back in the 1960's to make a deer rifle. The upper hand-guard and bayonet lug were removed, and a Lyman aperture added. It makes a great brush hunting rifle, and the .303 round has impressed me. I looked at over a hundred M/N 91/30's before I chose mine. It has the best trigger of all the rifles I tried, and a butt-stock without the separate pc scabbed on at the toe. It is amazingly accurate for a rifle that has the proverbial "sewer pipe" bore. I have never gotten to the bottom of the fouling, but since it shoots well I've given up.
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Nice rifles I love mil surps.

Many people judge military rifles against commercial rifles....many of the military rifles people like us have access to (ie affordable) have seen long service lives, and may not have seen many rounds but may have been refurbished many times with mixed parts. They also tend to have generous chambers.

Don't be too aggressive cleaning those "sewer pipes", I know from experience

I cleaned out a sewer pipe older non-refurb Mosin that was used by some East Bloc country......with aggressive foam cleanser years ago....it shot fine but I wanted it "clean" so I left the cleaner in overnight, scrubbed out copper and carbon from the 1930's...bore looked clean, good to go...so I thought. The rifle would not hold a group worth anything. It took 1,000 plus rounds with no cleaning to "rebuild " the dirty bore . It turns out the old copper and carbon had built up the worn out lands in the bore. Strange but true.
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Just picked up a .410 "Indian prison guard shotgun", I'm usually a purist when it comes to this stuff but I didn't want one in the original .410 British 2" chamber so I got one that was opened up to 3" by the importer. When these came in , in years past, some where opened up, and some left alone. They were sold as both a "modified for American .410" and an original unaltered "collector" version.
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All used guns I buy except from the original owner I always wish if you could talk. Especailly with military arms. I purchased a mauser 1896 with IDF proofs. That gun must have a talewto tell.
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It's amazing how they get around.....I have and used to have rifles that had property stamps from 5 or 6 countries.

Hybrids like a Chilean Mauser with an 03-A3 Springfield barrel on it, chambered for 7.62 . It seems we shipped a bunch of barrels to Chile so they could convert rifles to 7.62 NATO to use as reserve rifles.

The .410 Enfield started life as a 1918 production .303, made at the Enfield arsenal, possibly, but probably not, seeing issue in the last days of the war. May have seen use in the early part of WWII with either the British or Indian colonial troops. In 1941 it was converted to .410 at Ishapore in India, looks like it was just stored away after the conversion since the re-matched stock looks new. The bore is mirror bright and it was probably an "armory reserve " gun. The wooden block in the mag well has a trough on the top to use as a loading guide, there's not even a mark on it.
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Very nice group of rifles. In younger years I liked shooting heavy rifles like yours. Now I value light weight- ARs and M1 carbines are my friends!
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I'm not big on stripper clips....unless the rifle needs them.

I've gotten used to stuffing the mag with a fistful of loose rounds all facing the right way...."click, click, click" you can get good with that technique

I found Enfield strippers to be fumbly, plus during a few second break in your target shooting its easy to just top the mag off. I love "top loading" rifles, for this reason. Just pop in a few more rounds here and there, rifles with mag cutoffs are fun too, like 03's, early Enfields,etc. .....you can single load and keep the magazine full.
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I'm not big on stripper clips....unless the rifle needs them.

I've gotten used to stuffing the mag with a fistful of loose rounds all facing the right way...."click, click, click" you can get good with that technique

I found Enfield strippers to be fumbly, plus during a few second break in your target shooting its easy to just top the mag off. I love "top loading" rifles, for this reason. Just pop in a few more rounds here and there, rifles with mag cutoffs are fun too, like 03's, early Enfields,etc. .....you can single load and keep the magazine full.
Enfield strippers need to be pretty slick or they're a real PITA.

I'm a milsurp guy, too, but have photos of a couple:
1954 Fazakerly No4mk2 with bayonet


1942 Inland (mixmaster, Underwood barrel, Winchester wood)


Others with no photos:
- 1954 International Harvester M1 Garand (DCM purchase)
- 1942 BSA Shirley No5MK1 Enfield "Jungle Carbine"

Awaiting IRS refund to buy a friend's 1903A3 Springfield

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