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Old January 8th, 2017, 10:55 AM   #16
 
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BTW the 7.62x39 is still in the running
A .308 would be better overall as a round but I find the forward assist and the AR charging handle to be A as F. I don't think the M1A can be beat but the price can be an issue. It's a very nice accurate rifle.



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Old January 8th, 2017, 11:07 AM   #17
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A .308 would be better overall as a round but I find the forward assist and the AR charging handle to be A as F. I don't think the M1A can be beat but the price can be an issue. It's a very nice accurate rifle.
I think its personal preference. I own 3 ak rifles, an sks, a mini 30, and more than several AR rifles to name a few. In my 13 or 14 years running the ar I have never used the forward assist. I find that I get better accuracy from the ar than the ak.
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Hey trig, check out this video hunting hogs with the sharps. Also welcome to NC buddy.

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get gun. Available in 308 and I thin 7 08 and other calibers remington ar25 a bit more than your budget but a great rifle.
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For what you're lookin to do, I'd go with a 20" AR-10.
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I'm a fan of the 308 WIN option. Unfortunately I think the M1A and FNAR might be out of the price range. I've shot both and they would be ideal options. A bit heavy though if you're going to carry in the field. I just had someone else ask a similar question and is considering the AR platform. I have to agree with the recommendation for 308 in 20 inch barrel.
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TC you asked a question you will get dozens of different answers so let's get simple & effective 2 caliber choices both very capable to down deer/hogs etc. No custom BS & expense either!!! 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 either will kill a deer. I have killed a deer with hand loaded .223 70 grain bullets. Hornady loads some decent .223 soft point bullets plus the Winchester .223 64 grain soft point is a excellent bullet. Now 2 rifles in either caliber can be bought. A Ruger Mini-14 , Mini-30 opt for 7.62x39 vs 300 Blackout or a Ruger AR15 there are also various AR15 variants such as the S&W AR-15 Sport. You can get the AR-15 scope ready. My son & son in law both have the S&W AR-15 sport .223/5.56 my personal rifle is a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle so very optic friendly plus a Mini-14 isn't ammo finicky. The custom calibers mentioned doesn't come cheap either unless you have the time to reload!!! Good Luck to you
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A lot of states have laws against big game hunting with anything smaller then a 24 cal in rifle.
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I'd vote the AR-10 variants (in .308) or an AR-15 built for 7.62x39.

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But let's up the ante and say I have $1200 to get set up... that's it. What rifle?
I would still build my own. You can build a premium rifle that you would pay $2500 and up for less than $1200. Seriously do the some research on it. And once you are done, changing calibers is as simple as pulling a pin and changing uppers and maybe mags
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A 20" dpms lr308 can do it, a great rifle I own several from that family. Downside of the large frame ar is price, and weight. There is no doubt it can do the job well. My suggestion of going 25-45 is that 5.56 brass is available everywhere. If you reload its very cheap, bullets are $25 per 100. Cheaper than 308. Uses h335 powder and some guys are shooting it out to 800 yards. The factory rounds go from $20 to $30 per 20 through src.

Its lighter being an ar15 platform, carries 30 rounds in a 30 rd magazine versus 20 on the 308. It has less recoil than the 308, and rifle weighs alot less than a similarly equipped ar 308. You can buy an ar15 swap the barrel for $239 and buy a 5/824 muzzle device and crushwasher, and be ready to roll. If I was hunting, I would rather have the 25-45 than a 5.56. But if your wanting to go 308, here is what I would recommend for hunting.

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I always tell shoppers to settle on a caliber first. It makes life a lot easier with all the choices out there. If this is your first and maybe your only rifle, .308 can't be beat for all around performance - power, distance & price. If you go .223 or 7.62x39, you will probably end up with more than one gun, which is fine too.
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Also the .300 AAC was designed to be a sub sonic round for snipers but its compatibility with AR magazines is nice.
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To me a 300 Blackout is a useless round, but they are really popular......so what do I know?

But for the OPs original question, budget and deer/hog rifle, for me the choice would be easy.............DPMS Recon or Oracle in .308

Sharps, grendels, creedmoor........all that stuff on the AR platform is cool, if you are an AR guy. This is his first sporting rifle and as such should likely be something simple until he really sees if he even likes the platform. The .308 ammo is on every shelf in every store and will easily down his two choices of prey and the DPMS will be ultimately reliable

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