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Old December 25th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #16
 
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A Gunsite Scout Rifle would also work nicely....



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Ruger Mini 14. Its not an evil black rifle. Not likely to be banned. I don't even think ARs are likely to be banned unless you live in one of those states.
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The indoor range requirement will more than likely limit you to a pistol caliber carbine (PCC). There are a lot to choose from. As some others have pointed out, PCCs are not really a substitute for a rifle. A 10/22 will not offer the reliability or power to be a defensive weapon. If a PCC is what you want, I'd suggest looking at some of the 9mm or 40 models. Barreta CX4 Storm would be a good quality choice. I have a Kel Tec sub 2000 in 9mm that takes high capacity Glock mags and folds in half to fit in a back pack. It may fit your needs too. It's not a good looking gun but it works and I like mine. Also, look into Highpoint carbines, they're inexpensive and people who own them seem to like them. Good luck!
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You won't go wrong with a Marlin 336 30-30; economical, easy to operate, versatile & easy for the untrained to adapt to.

Sit her in a closet mounted rack with 6 in the tube and a clear chamber when home. Ready to go for home "D".
Pick her up, place her behind the seat in the truck when you are out & about. Very handy.
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Remmy 7615-223 or Marlin lever 3030
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Lever action rifle chambered for .357 magnum or 44 magnum. As fast shooting as a semi-auto, relatively "high capacity", and innocent looking.
I agree. I have a .44 Magnum Marlin 1894 levergun. The magazine holds 10 rounds, for a 10+1 capacity. Topping off the magazine is easily done, if you have a proper ammo carrying device close at hand. .44 and .357 Mag rounds from a carbine have significantly more muzzle velocity than rounds from a handgun. The carbine is easier (than a handgun) to aim and score accurate hits with at distances from several yards out to 50 or more yards. With a little practice, one can keep the carbine shouldered and on-target when working the lever.

And I wouldn't count out the short barreled 12 ga pump shotgun with a 7-8 rd magazine. With a good ammo carrying system (I use a Sidesaddle device), one can easily top off a partially loaded magazine.
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I'm surprised the thread got this far without someone mentioning the AK. However, I'm going to go with the wood stocked M1A recommendation or a wood stocked Mini-14 depending on which caliber you prefer (308 vs 223). If pistol caliber carbines are what you're looking for then a Henry 357 in steel would be pretty hard to beat.
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LOL, man you must be expecting a complete Invasion from a foreign army. I have a Mossberg 20 guage and feel quite comfortable. Especially with a Ruger SR9C ready if I feel a invasion coming on.
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Ruger Mini 14. Its not an evil black rifle. Not likely to be banned. I don't even think ARs are likely to be banned unless you live in one of those states.
You mean "Foreign States". Hopefully a fence will be put around those as well as Mexico in the future.
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I'm surprised the thread got this far without someone mentioning the AK.
I think in general, people put the AK & AR in the same "evil" boat.
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357mag, First let me say that I'm not into the whole, "survivalist, end of the world, large scale breakdown" BS. I don't know what these people are planning for? Holding out in their bunker/home until some new form of civilization takes affect?
Having a firearm when there's a short term emergency is smart. You can't wait until the problem arises and then obtain a gun. You must have it at the time of the emergency BUT we must keep perspective.


From the OP's description it sounds like he is looking for something that he can practice with and enjoy at a local range but will be a viable tool in a time of need.

Although it doesn't fit his requirement for use at his local range, a pump action shotgun is probably the best all-around tool. It is an excellent self defense tool, it can be used for hunting, it doesn't cost a lot, it's unlikely to attract a lot of unwanted attention and ammunition is readily available. At short ranges a 1 ounce slug will stop any fight. Different shot sizes can handle foraging duties. If I could have only one gun in a time of need, it would be a 12 gauge pump shotgun. It may not be "cool", "sexy" or "Tactical" but it will damn sure get the job done.

A semi-auto shotgun is not needed. Even without a magazine extension, a pump action has more than enough capacity to handle self-defense needs. A pump action shotgun is extremely reliable and durable.

If the OP really wants something that he can use at a local range, then a pistol caliber carbine is probably the only gun that will fit his criteria of long gun and acceptable at his local range.
In that category I would seek out a lever action chambered in .357 mag or 44 mag. Out of a carbine length barrel those rounds are very effective at 100 yards and sometimes a bit more. They give you the option of 38 Special or 44 Special and they don't look like evil "black rifles".
If you could find one of the old Ruger 44 Mag Carbines, they are also excellent guns.

The OP touched on a 10/22 with a high capacity mag. The 10/22 is an excellent semi-auto .22 rimfire rifle and as long as you're willing to accept the limitations of that cartridge; it can be a very useful tool. As for the high capacity magazines - I think they are absolutely ridiculous. The factory 10 round rotary Ruger magazine is an outstanding magazine. They work amazingly well and because they fit flush with the stock, they are less likely to be damaged. The extended mags are, in my opinion, WORTHLESS TOYS !
A 10/22 could be used for self-defense in an emergency but for the most part, that gun is for small game hunting, pest control and target shooting. An extended mag doesn't change that rifle into anything remotely more useful or tactical.
A good .22 rimfire rifle is an EXCELLENT tool and very useful but hanging a big magazine off of one doesn't improve it. Personally I believe an old bolt action .22 that is accurate would be a far better tool in an emergency than some Mall-Ninja contraption. YMMV.
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Well... my AR is primarily only for distance 'round the house... secondary for self-defence...

My primary is this... the 12 gauge Benelli M4.... it now has an Aimpoint T-1 Micro, 2 MOA red-dot on it...



My ultimate survival rifle... a Volquartsen .22LR custom, with a McMillan thumbhole stock... blackened stainless... it also now sports an Aimpoint T-1 Micro, as well. Man can carry thousands of rounds of .22LR... same or less weight than a lot fewer 5.56mm rounds... and even a lot fewer shotgun shells.



You didn't ask for this... but this is my third-choice for self-protection... an AR by LWRC... it sports the ACOG in the last pic... (one of the Aimpoints is in that very same pic...)





Figgered out a long time ago... from experience and that book, One Second After... made a lot of sense to me....

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M1A Scout, forward optics, 7.62 x 51.
Can't go wrong with the 30 cal. I would also recommend the m1a, its pricey, but will stop just about anything in its tracks. It can be outfitted with a 5rd, 10rd, 20rd and 50 rd magazine. Traditional rifle stock setup, and shoots like a cadillac. I would say the socom, or scout model, for better use in confined areas. Only downside is muzzle blast indoors will be loud, but any rifle will be that way. I own 2 m1a's, a national match, and a scout with a aimpoint comp 3 red dot. Would never let go of either. The mini 14 is a good choice, but I feel all of these gather as much attention as the ak and ar platforms by the anti's. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

A quote from one of my favorite movies. "When a man with a pistol meets a man with a rifle, the man with the pistol is a dead man. "

Unless of course the man with the pistol has level 5 body armor.
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I would have thought this a no-brainer. The AK-47 of course. The most prolific firearm weapon in history.

7.62 x 39 is cheap and abundant.

It is arguably the most reliable weapon every made.

It is arguably a weapon that will work in virtually any environment or extreme.

You should clean it, but its only necessary once every 2,000 rounds or so.

Simple to operate and arguably the easiest weapon to disassemble.

If you don't have an AR you need an AK, and if you have an AK you don't need an AR.
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