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Old February 11th, 2014, 08:42 AM   #1
 
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Now it's powder that's hard to find

We have a dedicated reloading shop just outside of St. Louis in St. Charles, MO called
Graf's Reloading, It's owned by one of the son's from Graf & Sons in MO.
They kept me in powder & primers(100 at a time) about this time last year when I got back into reloading after an 8 year break.
Nobody else had anything & I had not built my stock up yet. I appreciate that & try to be loyal to the local guys & have been going there for 20 years, it's a great little store.

Well, they have not had any Hodgdon powder ( HP-38, TiteGroup & Universal are the 3 I use) in stock since 10/13. I am not out, I just try to replace what I use & keep at least a pound of each on hand, so when I crack that last jar open, I know it's time to restock.

I had to set that up to ask this of the veteran reloaders.

Alliant Power Pistol is right behind Universal on the burn rate chart.

Alliant Bullseye & American Select are on each side of TiteGroup.

What's your thoughts on these as replacements for my Hodgdon powders till things are better. I did not include Unique as a Universal replacement as it does not seem to meter well.

As always, your input is appreciated.



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moakes, your choice of powders will be ok IF you can find them.

last year i had a list of powders that i would use and when i went to a lgs they didnt have anything and i mean nothing, but i did score a #1 of powder at a gunshow, it wasn't what i really wanted but it would do.

you can subitute win 231 for hp-38 so add that to your list just in case, but i'm like you i wanted the alliant powder for my magnum for med and hot loads but none to be had.

you might have to go online to find what you need , natchez, gander, etc...
they might have some but hazmat for shiiping will get ya. but that maybe the only way to go right now , so go scrounge some up and stock up when you can.
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moakes, your choice of powders will be ok IF you can find them.

last year i had a list of powders that i would use and when i went to a lgs they didnt have anything and i mean nothing, but i did score a #1 of powder at a gunshow, it wasn't what i really wanted but it would do.

you can subitute win 231 for hp-38 so add that to your list just in case, but i'm like you i wanted the alliant powder for my magnum for med and hot loads but none to be had.

you might have to go online to find what you need , natchez, gander, etc...
they might have some but hazmat for shiiping will get ya. but that maybe the only way to go right now , so go scrounge some up and stock up when you can.
Thanks, I know about W231, it has not been around here for 12 months. There is not 1 major online retailer that has those powders in stock, that I can see.

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I use Bullseye for 45ACP w/cast bullets, I have managed to work up some great loads wiht it. Power Pistol is one of my favorites in 9mm. I have a little experience with American Select but have not found a good load as of yet.
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Some powders have been hard to find this side of the pond lately as well.
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Some powders have been hard to find this side of the pond lately as well.
Hey James, are you anywhere near the powder factory that had the fire. Supposedly, that's what is causing a lot of problems for Hodgdon. I know Universal & Clays where made there. This fire was quit a few months back.
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For Unique replacement you can use 20/28 too. I ran some tests in .357, .44Spec, .44Mag, and .45 Colt with this powder and basically I will use it just like Unique/Universal. Went though 3 pounds of the it last summer.

Power Pistol is a good powder and meters well. I am using up my last pound of it right now.
Green Dot is another good powder. Load 1g less than your Unique/Universal load for about the same velocity.

Nothing wrong with Bullseye. I've found some good loads with it too. Obviously it is a fast powder so not good for heavy loads.
If you run into True Blue, another winner.

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For Unique replacement you can use 20/28 too. I ran some tests in .357, .44Spec, .44Mag, and .45 Colt with this powder and basically I will use it just like Unique/Universal. Went though 3 pounds of the it last summer.

Power Pistol is a good powder and meters well. I am using up my last pound of it right now.
Thanks for the input rclark.
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Hey James, are you anywhere near the powder factory that had the fire. Supposedly, that's what is causing a lot of problems for Hodgdon. I know Universal & Clays where made there. This fire was quit a few months back.
ADI in OZ (supposedly one of four of the biggest in the world) supplies powders to other manufacturers, one being Hodgdon.
I can find plenty of speculation in forums but nothing conclusive about a fire.
This factory is only 6 1/2 hours from me.
This is there data site.

ADI Powders Handloaders' Guide
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ADI in OZ (supposedly one of four of the biggest in the world) supplies powders to other manufacturers, one being Hodgdon.
I can find plenty of speculation in forums but nothing conclusive about a fire.
This factory is only 6 1/2 hours from me.
This is there data site.

ADI Powders Handloaders' Guide
Thanks James, They have a powder equivalents chart on that website that is helpfull!
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moakes I like Hodgdon Longshot for my .45 AP and .38 Spl +P. It's been coming in around here of late.
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Thanks James, They have a powder equivalents chart on that website that is helpfull!
Thought you might have found it so.
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moakes I like Hodgdon Longshot for my .45 AP and .38 Spl +P. It's been coming in around here of late.
Thanks, I think you mentioned it before. I had a line on a 8lb. jug, but I hesitated 1 day too long & it was gone.
I just had trouble getting myself to buy 8lbs. of a powder I had not tried before.
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That website James linked to is the company in Australia that makes Universal & it says it won't be available till mid 2014
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