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Old August 20th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #1
 
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What's in a powder? As in TiteWad

I have been researching the forum and internet and find very little data on Hodgon TiteWad.

It appears to be for 12 ga with light (7/8-1 1/8) shot.

Most shotgun powders have a dual purpose with handgun. Is this powder too high on the burn chart for alternate uses?

If possible, I would like to know if it will work with 115/124 gr FMJ 9mm...




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I have a Hodgdon data manual that says Titewad was designed for 12 gauge only.
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You would think it would work but it looks like uncharted territory to me.
Better to bring it up elsewhere as this is a safe reloading forum.
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I picked it up for shotgun reloads and noted it appears close to Red Dot which got me to thinking about other possibilities. I cannot find much information about it other than the Hodgen load data and I don't have inclination to experiment without a benchmark to start at.
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Hodgdon Longshot is what I use to reload 9mm. It's also a dual purpose shotgun powder too. If you can't find any published data using TiteWad for 9mm I wouldn't use it.

Some powders can exhibit unpredictable pressure spikes. Those are usually never used to reload handgun ammo for that reason. They are only safe in shotguns. I don't know if that's the case with TiteWad, but it could be.

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I use TiteWad with cast lead in 45acp and it works fine but it's not the optimal powder. I keep the loads low (3-4 grains) since it pressure spikes early.

I think they've chosen NOT to give pistol data for it because it gets high pressures at normal velocities. In other words it's not efficient. While one powder would have reasonable/safe pressure at 800 fps in 45ACP the same pressure with TiteWad may only get you 500-600 fps as an example. I'm guessing because it's too hot/fast. If you crank up the load to get into the 800 fps range you may no longer be in the safe pressure zone. I'm shooting target and not super worried about max velocity so I just load until it recoils my action as I like it to and stop there. Too little powder can also create a squib that doesn't leave the barrel then the next round will Kaboom if you're not paying attention so you can go too low on charge as well. I've also heard of low charges creating huge rapid pressure spikes but this is mostly with slower powders as far as I'm aware. This is why you don't load a .223 with say a half charge. This wouldn't be safe.

Off topic: On low charge Kabooms... in the use of half charged cases it seems like a lot of the things I've read say to use cornstarch or another filler to make sure the case is filled to where it needs to be and the powder is tight and not leaving too much air space.

Back on Topic: The other thing I've noticed about TiteWad is that it's a little dirty. I'd like to compare TiteGROUP and see how that does. I've heard it's a very good cast lead powder.

But it works for me and in 45ACP. I would not use it for anything high velocity and I'm not sure I'd use it in 9mm (although I'd probably try it and see starting low). Of course with all reloading it's your own risk and even following recipes isn't a guaranty that you're safe.

If you don't have the powder, I wouldn't buy it unless it's all can get and you don't mind experimenting.

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It can't be much more spiky in pressure than N310, Clays, or TiteGroup.
There is no pistol data because they won't spend money to develop loads when they already have pistol powders in that same burn rate. Likewise, they aren't going to spend money to develop shotgun loads for their pistol powders as they already have powders in that burn rate.
TiteWad is right between N310 and Bullseye. Great place for a .45 Auto and light target .38 Special. Not a place I look for powder for other cartridges, except .32 S&W Long WadCutter ammo.
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You introduce the light target .38 special....

This brings up a question....

With .38 special, does barrel length come into play with various lads?

The situation is, I hav a Henry Big Boy chambered for .357. As that is a "pistol" caliber, are there any special considerations when doing reloads that will be fired from that rifle?

Henry says "factory ammo". But, some of my reload research has indicated adjusting lads based on barrel length.

Any insight??
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Not recommended for 9mm....

If you need something for your 9mm, go with Blue Dot. Accurate as hell and fills the case nicely.
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For pistols, the powder that produces the most velocity at 6-8" also produces the most velocity at 1.5-2". Some people move to faster powder as they fear an unburned kernel falling under the cylinder star or they don't want the muzzle flash.
For light .38 Special target loads (wadcutters), accuracy is usually best at around 750fps, so very fast powders are used.
For a .357 Mag rifle, H110/296 is still probably your best bet for max velocity. Don't know if the case can hold enough of a slower powder to do any good.
Personally, I would still stick to 2400 and 4227.
PS: if you were going for a 9mm Minor load, TiteWad could be good; but there are many other powders that have known loading data--if you can find the powder.
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Good information, thanks. I do use HS-6 for 9 mm, W231 for .38/.357, and 4831 for 7mm Mag. The TiteWad is slated for 12 ga, shotgun.

But, I am always looking into possibilities and trying to learn more about the various powders that are available. I like finding multi-use powders.
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I did find out today that there is data for titewad and the .45acp but not 9mm here:
Cartridge Loads - Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - data.hodgdon.com
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I load 175 TC cast boolits for my SR 40. Get great shots with 3 grains of titewad. Dirty as heck though.
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Dirty is:
1) not important if accuracy is good
and
2) it reduced if pressures are raised.
Shooting is dirty--that's why people clean their guns.
Reducing your lube will prevent the formation of "mud."
I have actually fired other's guns and gotten oil on my shooting glasses.
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Good information, thanks. I do use HS-6 for 9 mm, W231 for .38/.357, and 4831 for 7mm Mag. The TiteWad is slated for 12 ga, shotgun.

But, I am always looking into possibilities and trying to learn more about the various powders that are available. I like finding multi-use powders.
I have been pretty happy with my 38 reloads using TiteGroup. 4.1g behind berry's 124g FN plated. Shooting a S&W 15-5. Its more accurate than I can shoot it.
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