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Old March 24th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #1
 
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Double charge..., denied luckily

Putting together some .38 special loads today using 4.4gr of Hi-Skor 700x. I use a powder charger, and set the cases in a loading tray after they're charged. Then I go back with a flashlight and ensure that all the powder levels look right. Sure enough, one of my cases got double charged....

So, the system worked today, and I caught the error early. Still, I'm upset that the case went through the powder charger twice to begin with. It underscores how much attention to detail this hobby requires.



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Old March 24th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #2
 
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It pays to double check when loading. I was loading 45 apcs on a RCBS Green Machine and my daughter came out and we talked a while. Then after she left I started loading again but forgot I had disconnected the powder measure. It put them in the box with good rounds. Had fun at the range some shot good and some I had to knock out of the barrel. That was back in the 80's. Now the Gm is used to prep cases only.
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The powder I use will usually will over flow with a double charge ; )
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I make each round from start (powder charge to crimped bullet) to finish.

I put 21.2gr 2400 in each case, a double would overflow, but the chance of no powder still exists so I try to make sure there are no distractions while working, along with shutting off the ringer on my cell, but I do listen to Alex Jones sometimes..........
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The powder I use will usually will over flow with a double charge ; )
Y/D

Same here. But I still look in each case before stuffin' it. Just in case I forgot one. I have a system of where when cases are primed they go case mouth down in the loading tray, that way any case mouth up should have a charge in it and if I only take cases out that are mouth down, they cannot already have a charge in them........but I still look anyway.


Kudos for you for catchin' your mistake.
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The powder I use will usually will over flow with a double charge ; )
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Same here. But I still look in each case before stuffin' it. Just in case I forgot one. I have a system of where when cases are primed they go case mouth down in the loading tray, that way any case mouth up should have a charge in it and if I only take cases out that are mouth down, they cannot already have a charge in them........but I still look anyway.


Kudos for you for catchin' your mistake.
What power are you guys using that a 2x charge will overflow a .38spl case?
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My system is to drop the charge from the powder measure, set the bullet and seat. I don't think it takes much, if any longer and a double charge is impossible.

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My system is to drop the charge from the powder measure, set the bullet and seat. I don't think it takes much, if any longer and a double charge is impossible.
Same here, with the addition of glancing in the case after dropping the charge.... I've never under or doubled a charge using this method.

I also use the system of case is face down in tray after sizing, face up after belling, and face down after priming. Then above applies after which loaded cartridge is placed in box.

Of course I have only used a Single Stage Press since ~'80... Obviously a progressive would have to have a different method of operation....
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I make each round from start (powder charge to crimped bullet) to finish.

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Me to and I weigh each charge.

Slower but safer

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Another hint for added "safety"; keep the primed and ready to charge brass in a separate block (or pile) and only put charged cases in block. And don't fetget to look too. I do mine this way and sometimes like mentioned above; charge, start bullet and put in press, without letting go of the case, and seat.

I choose my powders for their performance and not how much they fill the case. I learned careful, attentive, redundant checking, reloading right from the start and in 30 years have had one squib, and no kabooms...

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What power are you guys using that a 2x charge will overflow a .38spl case?
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No charge --- oops

I had a similar but opposite experience back in the 70s when I first got into reloading. I was reloading 30-06 rounds for a bolt action Savage model 110. I went to the range the next day to try out my new loads. I was trying different combinations in an attempt to find out what the gun liked best.

Well into 20 or 30 rounds, I put a fresh round in the gun, got down on the scope, sighted in on the target and squeezed the trigger - nothing happened. hmmm

I figured that I had either a dud or a potential hang-fire. I cautiously opened the bolt and found a spent round. Without really thinking too much about it, I thought to myself - "I must have put in a used round". I then proceeded to put in another round.

I got down on the scope, sighted in on the target, put my finger on the trigger and then thought - "wait a minute - something is wrong!"

I took out the fresh round and removed the bolt and then sighted down the barrel - no daylight. I then realized what had happened. Somehow, I had put together a round that had been resized, reprimed and got a new head seated, BUT NO POWDER.

The primer was just enough to propel the head several inches up the barrel and because I was wearing good ear protection, I did not hear the pop of the primer.

I hate to think what would have happened if I had fired that second round with a bullet already in the barrel. I reloaded for 25 or 30 years after that experience but I never forgot it. A "no charge" can be just as dangerous as an overcharge. Probable even more so if you are reloading for a wheel gun when you could be doing rapid DA shooting.

When it comes to reloading - YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL!!!

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I disabled the auto advance in my turret press and work in batch mode. For each round, I zero the casing on my electronic scales, throw a load just under my target weight then trickle directly into the casing to get the exact weight. When the entire batch has powder, I do a sanity check with a flashlight before putting in the bullets.

Slow - sure. But I'm doing this because it's relaxing and I enjoy it - not because I'm in a hurry.
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What power are you guys using that a 2x charge will overflow a .38spl case?

A double charge for a 110gr or 125gr jacketed using Unique is over or at the the top of a .38 case. Unique is about all I use for .38.
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