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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:21 AM   #1
 
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40 SW Reloads

Finally got my hands on SR40 3 weeks ago.
Would like to reload.
I use Titegroup (and really hard to find any powder on the shelf) so would like to load with it.
I use cases picked up from the range, and my factory load fires, tumble clean, size and load with RCBS dies.
I have lead Colorado Bullets, 180gr FP, 155gr RN, both .401.
Based upon what I've read from the Ruger experts and other spots I have formulated this recipe:
180 gr FP use 3.8gr TG
155 gr RN use 4.6gr TG
Because of this forum it sounds like the 40SW needs to be treated like a good woman with lots of attention and detail; makes me gunshy, pun intended.
I am hoping for advice and feedback on the above recipe, just want a good safe starting point with no lodged bullets (which I have done in the past, quite embarrassing) etc etc.
Thanks in advance,
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:13 AM   #2
 
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I suggest you follow your manual.
Add for the specific loads, I can't find any cast load info using tightgroup. So I'm going to call that a sign....
For jacketed bullets in that range, those are lighter than starting loads.
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First off this forum or no other forum and or word of mouth information is what loading bullets should be based on. That's why we have load books and phone numbers for powder and bullet Co. Lead bullet loads for the 40 are hard to come by, most load data shown is for jacketed bullets. So a little common sense must prevail.
Second, 180 grain bullets would not be my first choice, can you safely use them ? yes.
But since the 40 is a shortened 10MM and a bastard cartridge at best, along with being a high pressure round ( approaching rifle pressure ) care should be taken in all aspects of the loading proses, That is not to say care should not be put into all loading.
Lighter bullets have been found to perform some what better in the 40, ( 165 grain )
Damaged or bulged cases should not be loaded, firearms should be of the type that offer as much chamber support as can be had ( rear of chamber at the case head web area )
Bullets should not be short loaded, long loading when possible
( must function and fit the Mag. ) will ease pressure somewhat. Keep in mind that OAL given in load books ( oops those load books again ) are for the specific bullet used in that load development, with that case and that primer. When you deviate form a given load you do it at your own risk. Is it done ? yes, should it be done by the inexpedience reloader? NO.

Based upon what I've read from the Ruger experts and other spots I have formulated this recipe:
180 gr FP use 3.8gr TG -- 4.2 to 4.7 is the book for a Horn. X T P 180 grain jacketed bullet. from Hodgon powder. your load of 3.8 should be a safe start load, when loading low it's a good idea to make sure every bullet exits the barrel
( you don't want to stick one ) TG is not position sensitive and can handle low loads to an extent, similar to bulls eye. But there are other powders available that will work as good and produce lower pressure.
but that takes a little research on the loaders part ( you )
Based upon what I've read from the Ruger experts and other spots I have formulated this recipe:

155 gr RN use 4.6gr TG this load is 1 grain under Min. load for a 155 jacketed bullet so I would load it also. Lead bullet loads are most times shown lower than jacketed loads. It is practice by many loaders to start lead bullets at the minimum jacketed load and work up while monitoring all aspect of the load performance.
It's not alway the best thing to pick one load and load a bunch of cases with it without proving the load for function, safety and accuracy. Take your start load and work up in 3/10 .3 increments while shooting a firmly rested gun, this will show the most accurate load, then other rounds can be loaded with the same criteria. A sand bag is your friend while working up a good shooting load. If it shoots good off the bag and and does not shoot good freehand --well who you going to blame, YOU, would be the correct answer. Stay safe and enjoy, if your gun leads up after you shoot start another thread.
EDIT TO SAY: when I ask for advise I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR
this is what works for me
this is what I do
this is what my friend said to do cause it worked for his uncle who was given it by a friend at work.

I want the exact poop from people that know, as in a load book or a phone call to a manufacturer.
So does that mean I shouldn't take advise for loading off the net ? Yup I don't. I may use it for a starting point or to get an idea, but it's ALWAYS crossed checked before I seat a bullet.
Let me add a 40 S&W would not be the cartridge I would recommend for a new reloader,
the second would be the 9MM I could care less who says what
or how well it worked out FOR THEM.
You can crawl under barbed wire with out ripping your cloths also, but how many times before it gets you ?

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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:41 AM   #4
 
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Hodgden online that I use recommends the following loads for the .40 with Titegroup:

155gr BERB FP (Berrys Flat point) .400. 5.1gr Titegroup. 1051fps. Oal 1.125

180gr BERB FP. .400dia. 4.2gr. Titegroup 901fps


I load the .40 with Hodgden HS7 and Rainer Bullets.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 02:09 PM   #5
 
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Graywolf1
I sincerely appreciate the butkicking on my request.
You have given extremely savvy advice and will take it with my study on this subject.
I am an amateur at reloading, obviously, I do 38 sp and 357mag and 45ACP with relative success but have struggled with problems and am learning with those probs.
Wish you were my neighbor, you wouldn't ha, as you obviously have extremely sage advise and wisdom in this "hobby".
I do have a couple reload manuals, Hornady and Speer and have talked with Hodgdon but they are kind of cryptic with the lead 40 cal info.
This is an extremely interesting 'hobby" and don't want to hurt my gun, other folks and most importantly myself.
As an aside, I am awaiting delivery of my RCBS 9mm die set, so please await more requests from me on that scope as I need yer mind.
Sincere Regard,
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First off this forum or no other forum and or word of mouth information is what loading bullets should be based on. That's why we have load books and phone numbers for powder and bullet Co. Lead bullet loads for the 40 are hard to come by, most load data shown is for jacketed bullets. So a little common sense must prevail.

Based upon what I've read from the Ruger experts and other spots I have formulated this recipe:
180 gr FP use 3.8gr TG -- 4.2 to 4.7 is the book for a Horn. X T P 180 grain jacketed bullet. from Hodgon powder. your load of 3.8 should be a safe start load, when loading low it's a good idea to make sure every bullet exits the barrel
( you don't want to stick one ) TG is not position sensitive and can handle low loads to an extent, similar to bulls eye. But there are other powders available that will work as good and produce lower pressure.
but that takes a little research on the loaders part ( you )

You can crawl under barbed wire with out ripping your cloths also, but how many times before it gets you ?
Totally agree with the above. LEE manual has same load data for the 180 gr jacketed bullet. I do shoot 180 gr FN lead, (cast my own). I don't give out my load data for all the reasons stated. Trust the manuals, the company information you glean and your own loads you work up. Half the fun of hand loading is developing loads that work for your gun and your needs.
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Thank you,
I'm glad some of the things I say make sense to some of the folks some of the time.
I commend you for wanting to do things correctly and for taking up the hobby.
Also for wanting to be safe, Safety in our sport is a 360* responsibility, it not only involves ourselves but every one around us. PM me if you need to talk any thing through.

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I have loaded the 40 cal for years , well over 10,000 rounds mostly 180gr fp from Berrys and a few K 180gr FP Lead from Mo Bullet co. Not sure why greywolf1 don't like the 180 gr , in my SR40 it is the most accurate bullet I shoot. It easily makes major power factor for USPSA.
I use Titegroup in 9mm and 45acp and some 40cal (4.3 worked well) but the last few years I use 5.3 of IMR sr7625 with Col at 1.125. You can look it up on the Hodgdon - IMR web site lots of good info there.
Case prep.....Tumble ,Deprime and resize . Get a good debulging die like a Lee and run all cases through it . Now the expander die , bell case just enough to start bullet , prime ,powder, bullet set to correct COL then I use a Lee taper crimp set for a light crimp . Your done
Same as the 45 acp and the 9mm with exception of the debulge die. Don't toss bulged cases if there not cracked they can be repaired .
Good luck
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Why the 180gr Bullet is a Bad Choice for .40 S&W
CALIBERS -- Why the 180gr Bullet is a Bad Choice for .40 S&W
180 grain is Not a NO<NO just that a lighter bullet seems to be better suited for the 40
200 and 180 is nice for the 10MM and was carried over to the forty and people just keep using it. Hey if it works and you happy they go for it.
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