38 in 357This is a discussion on 38 in 357 within the Reloading forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; due to problem with my hands {old age} i want to reload 357 brass to 38 sp. power. want to avoid crud ring. i know ...  |
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September 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM
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Join Date: May 2011 Location: west central mo.
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due to problem with my hands {old age} i want to reload 357 brass to 38 sp. power. want to avoid crud ring. i know i should adjust powder for the larger case but by what amount. any ideas? thanks.
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September 27th, 2012, 08:57 PM
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#2 | | Retired Gunsmith |
JDL, Tell me what powder and bullets you are using and I'll let you know how much powder to add.
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September 27th, 2012, 11:17 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: new mexico
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Go to the lyman load book and start with their min load
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September 28th, 2012, 01:37 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: WV
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Its pretty common for both 38spl and 44spl. Load the magnum shells to the lower pressures.
This also makes sure if you put magnum loads in, you dont try to run it through a spl gun.
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September 28th, 2012, 04:04 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by JDL due to problem with my hands {old age} i want to reload 357 brass to 38 sp. power. want to avoid crud ring. i know i should adjust powder for the larger case but by what amount. any ideas? thanks. | I do this for a couple bullets, all lead, BTW.
I use Red Dot with extruded lead bullets, and it has worked fine for decades. I avoid reducing loads for jacketed stuff, as it's a good way to stick a bullet in the bore. Red Dot is very economical for this type of load with 140gr -158gr lead stuff. I load them to about 800fps, both bullets, and they work real well. I use the Hornady swaged and the Remington bulk swaged for these loads. Both bullets will have a sweet spot between 3.5 and 4.5gr, you just have to find it. I have a 3" M36, a 2" M637, an SP 101, and a 4 5/8" BH. Sadly, they all have a different sweet spot with any bullet.
Most cast bullets need more zip, unless you get an alloy for lower speeds. Penn cast bullets have that option in several sizes, including a 125gr bullet that can be loaded way down for sore hands or beginning shooters.
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September 28th, 2012, 05:00 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Franklin TN
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I use 38 loads in 357 cases using unique with cast bullet loads by using 38 max loads in 357 cases. Works great with lead. I never tried jacketed.
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September 28th, 2012, 05:36 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: PRNJ
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I load 8.0 gr of 231 using 125 plated or jacketed bullets in 357 cases. Nice mild target load that puts it around 1100 fps, above 38 sp +p and below 357 magnum loads. the Speer # 13 manual has starting load at 7.7 gr and max load at 8.3.
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September 28th, 2012, 06:15 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Butte, Montana
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5g of Trail Boss under a 125g TC/plated is a nice easy load. I load this for my dad. Around 860fps
5g of Red Dot under 158g SWC is my go to load. Around 1000fps
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September 28th, 2012, 09:44 AM
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I totally agree with rclark. Trail boss is a really great powder for almost every caliber, I use it from .32 H&R up through 45/70. It is almost 'fool' proof, and almost impossible to make a major mistake....I do say "almost". I also have 'old man hands' and load most pistols, and revolvers lightly.
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September 29th, 2012, 02:30 AM
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Join Date: May 2011 Location: west central mo.
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IOWEGAN; unique or be and 158g lswc. thanks.
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September 29th, 2012, 06:47 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Butte, Montana
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In that case:
5.0g Bullseye 158g SWC 1018fps
6.0g Unique/Universal 158g SWC 1082fps
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September 29th, 2012, 09:51 AM
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#12 | | Retired Gunsmith |
JDL, A factory 38 Special load with a 158 gr LSWC bullet produces 890 fps from a 4" barrel. To emulate standard 38 Special loads use 4.4 gr of Bullseye or 5.2 gr of Unique. The loads posted by rclark are safe but are considerably hotter than factor 38 fodder.
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September 29th, 2012, 08:22 PM
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Join Date: May 2011 Location: west central mo.
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thanks for all the replies. just want to avoid the crud ring with 38sp. hands can't take the beating like they used towith magnum loads. thanks again. JDL
Last edited by JDL; September 29th, 2012 at 08:24 PM.
Reason: unfinished sentance
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September 29th, 2012, 09:10 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Utah
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JDL a good rule of thumb is just use the minimum powder chg listed in your reloading manual. Most reloading manuals like Speer, Hornady etc will usually list 3 powder chg listings in every powder & bullet size. But also Imam certain you will get some great advice and answers to your questions right here in the Ruger forum good luck!
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December 13th, 2012, 03:07 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Originally Posted by Iowegan JDL, A factory 38 Special load with a 158 gr LSWC bullet produces 890 fps from a 4" barrel. To emulate standard 38 Special loads use 4.4 gr of Bullseye or 5.2 gr of Unique. The loads posted by rclark are safe but are considerably hotter than factor 38 fodder. | My recent favorite load is 158 gr LSWC (MB) 4.3 grs bullseye in 357 cases, I would think this is about 850 fps, does anybody know what it is?
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