38 special Load for 158 hornady XTP with Unique and Win primers?This is a discussion on 38 special Load for 158 hornady XTP with Unique and Win primers? within the Reloading forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; I bought this unique because Gander was out of nearly everything else and I thought for sure my manuals had this load in there. However, ...
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August 13th, 2012, 02:11 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Indiana
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| 38 special Load for 158 hornady XTP with Unique and Win primers?
I bought this unique because Gander was out of nearly everything else and I thought for sure my manuals had this load in there. However, not the case.
Anyone have any manuals with this load in it? 38 special (or 357) with Hornady 158g xtp, win primers , with Unique? I also could do a light 357 round because I have cc 550s as well. I am a new reloader so I want something light. Thanks. I really need to drop about 300 bucks and just buy a whole bunch of different components.
If you don't want to give out the load, the manual that it is in would be helpful as well. they are always shrink wrapped and hard to tell whats in there. Thanks!!
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August 13th, 2012, 03:07 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Republic of Texas
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158gr is the most popular bullet weight for .38 and .357, and Unique is a popular
powder for both calibers.
You can use the data for any 158gr jacketed bullet.
Just start low and work up.
Any loading manual will have the information you're looking for.
Also you could try this website: Handloads.Com Load Data - Handloads.Com | |
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August 13th, 2012, 04:01 PM
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August 13th, 2012, 05:58 PM
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Well, I have found a couple of my manuals with 158g jacketed hollowpoints but many list xtp's seperate, which I assumed for some reason. Also, none of my manuals have any loads with Win small pistol primers. They all use CCI-500, which I can't find anywhere. Shortage apparently. I am paranoid about using different primer than listed from everything I have read.
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August 13th, 2012, 06:06 PM
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Find a manual with a jacketed 158 grain and use the starting load for Unique. At the starting load, the type of primer will not matter, even a magnum primer would work OK. If you are shooting this in a .357 frame, you have even more margin of safety.
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August 15th, 2012, 05:28 PM
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Thanks for all the advice guys!
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August 16th, 2012, 04:13 AM
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Here is the last paper manual (that I am aware of) that Alliant published in 2004...
.38 SPCL is on page 42: http://glarp.atk.com/2004/2004Catalo...ntPowderSM.pdf
The Hornady 4th manual lists starting load of 3.9gr Unique with the 158 XTP's, with a max of 4.7gr...
According to this manual, anything 4.5gr and over is +P territory...
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August 16th, 2012, 05:28 AM
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Per Hornady's load manual 6'th edition, starting load is 3.9 gr, max load is 5.1 gr of unique.
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August 16th, 2012, 12:21 PM
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hmmm. Wide variations here. Other people I looked around online had starting loads of 4.7. Those guys had concerns of not getting enough velocity to leave the barrel with less than 4.7. Who the heck knows what to do. I plan on buying a lyman manual tommorow and maybe it will be in there. I am also buying a 500 batch of lead semi-wadcutters from somewhere. Penn, or lasercast or something, just so I have a big supply to mess around with.
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August 16th, 2012, 12:32 PM
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You get variation in load data because of many variables, i.e. different primers, different test platforms, etc. Some companies just use pressure barrels, some use actual firearms. some use brand x primer some use brand y. That is why you start low and work up to safe levels to see what your gun likes best.
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August 16th, 2012, 06:01 PM
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I called Sierra today to ask them to try to understand this stuff better. They list 5 as a starting and a 6.1 max for their 158g jacketed hp. Much higher than anyone else but sierra doesnt list a +p.
He said starline cases were their test brass and they are stronger and handle pressures better than rem or win cases. Interesting. I had no idea cases could make that much of a difference. It seems people mix brass quite often??
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August 17th, 2012, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by makey98  He said starline cases were their test brass and they are stronger and handle pressures better than rem or win cases. Interesting. I had no idea cases could make that much of a difference. It seems people mix brass quite often?? | Not sure how anyone could believe in dealing with .38 Special loads, that the brass is the weak link...
The issue is over pressure for the design of the gun itself...
Elmer Keith habitually over loaded .38 Specials in the right guns...
All major manufacturers of brass and ammo know this...
Apparently bullet makers are in the dark about it though  | |
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August 17th, 2012, 04:30 AM
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Salmoneye:
I think you misunderstood or I didn't explain it well. The tech at Sierra said, "well with 38 the pressure signs you are looking for are mostly difficult extraction, etc so the Starline cases handle that a bit better so the data is probably a bit warmer than some other sources.
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August 17th, 2012, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by makey98 Salmoneye:
I think you misunderstood or I didn't explain it well. The tech at Sierra said, "well with 38 the pressure signs you are looking for are mostly difficult extraction, etc so the Starline cases handle that a bit better so the data is probably a bit warmer than some other sources. | Ahh...I did misunderstand...
Thanks for the clarification...
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