Real reason gun manfacturers are against reloadingThis is a discussion on Real reason gun manfacturers are against reloading within the Reloading forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Whats the real reason gun manufactures so dead set against us reloading our own amo. i have had nothing but great success and a lot ...
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July 19th, 2012, 06:50 AM
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| Real reason gun manfacturers are against reloading
Whats the real reason gun manufactures so dead set against us reloading our own amo. i have had nothing but great success and a lot fun with my reloading. if i blow my gun up its at my expense. Are they bias toward amo manufactures? Is there big time problems out their with idiot reloaders that i don't know about? just curious
biggun
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July 19th, 2012, 07:03 AM
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Because the idea of 'personal responsibility' has been replaced with 'I screwed up, so I'll sue everyone old enough to vote to cover my embarrassment'.
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July 19th, 2012, 07:07 AM
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It probably has a lot to do with their legal departments and product liability. The firearms were built to handle the pressures of factory ammunition. Anything else is unknown territory.
Consumers love to sue for physical harm regardless of the cause. And then there are as all the claims for repair or replacement of "defective" firearms that were damaged by hot loads, plugged by weak loads and then blown apart, or jammed by defective reloads.
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July 19th, 2012, 07:13 AM
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I'm not sure there's any huge move by gun manufacturers to stop reloading. They have always discouraged it from the standpoint of liability because there are always the few idiots who blow up their guns and then sue the manufacturer for damages. It only takes a couple of episodes of that for a manufacturer to cover his behind with a "no reloads" stipulation in the care and operation of his product.
Actually, I'm kinda surprised we don't see similar directives in the owners' manual for our cars . . . "We do not recommend driving this vehicle at a high rate of speed into large fixed objects" . . . or chain saws . . . "We cannot recommend grabbing the moving chain during operation of the saw".
JMHO. YMMV. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on teh Intarw3bz. Close cover before striking.  | |
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July 19th, 2012, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by biggun 
... if i blow my gun up its at my expense...
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Your opinion might change it that gun ka-boom blinded you,
blew off three fingers on your shooting hand, and left you with a $10,000.00 medical bill.
What about the guy standing next to you that was also injured?
Does he feel the same as you?
Firearms manufacturers are going to do everything they possibly can to excuse
themselves from ANY responsibility for how you use their product.
It has nothing to do with reloading or using reloaded ammunition.
It's just another opportunity to escape responsibility for the reckless actions of others.
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Last edited by JBnTx; July 19th, 2012 at 07:21 AM.
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July 19th, 2012, 07:31 AM
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I think you guys are right. The gun makers are just trying to cover there ass and yes there are some people out there who would sue them for screwing up and double charging a case and blowing off a few fingers. I have 3 or 4 guns that has never had a factory round through them. The only one with factory ammo in it is my carry gun.
Lets all keep up a good rep for reloaders .
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July 19th, 2012, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bhefley59 I think you guys are right. The gun makers are just trying to cover there ass and yes there are some people out there who would sue them for screwing up and double charging a case and blowing off a few fingers. I have 3 or 4 guns that has never had a factory round through them. The only one with factory ammo in it is my carry gun.
Lets all keep up a good rep for reloaders . | Me too
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July 19th, 2012, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by biggun Whats the real reason gun manufactures so dead set against us reloading our own amo. i have had nothing but great success and a lot fun with my reloading. if i blow my gun up its at my expense. Are they bias toward amo manufactures? Is there big time problems out their with idiot reloaders that i don't know about? just curious
biggun | As others have already noted, because gun makers don't want to pay for other peoples mistakes, and unfortunately our society today seems to more often than not make a point of blaming others for our own mistakes.
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July 19th, 2012, 08:30 AM
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Hot coffee from McDonald's spilled on ones lap. Need I say more?
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July 19th, 2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Sasquatch Hot coffee from McDonald's spilled on ones lap. Need I say more? | Now there's a warning that the hot coffee is hot  | |
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July 19th, 2012, 09:47 AM
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they don't have a clue how far you pushed that hand load... cause a BH is Strong and Load manuals are written by wimpy Lawyers
Snake
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July 19th, 2012, 10:02 AM
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Top ten frivolous lawsuits: Top 10 Bizarre or Frivolous*Lawsuits
#1 Was the suit of MacDonalds for the hot coffee.
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all know that the weather reports are frequently wrong and we take that into account when planning our days, but this was not the case for an Israeli woman who sued a TV station for making an inaccurate prediction. The station predicted good weather but it rained. The woman claimed that the forecast caused her to dress lightly – resulting in her catching the flu, missing a week of work, and spending money on medication. She further claimed that the whole incident caused her stress. She sued for $1,000 – and won.
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July 19th, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Being in motorcycle service/retail and formerly in automotive service/retail, at the age of 58 and a life long shooter and reloader. I wouldn't cover reloads either if I made firearms. As Ron White says "you can't fix stupid", it fits in the firearm area to. Sorry if I offended anyone. American consumer logic or lack there of is unreasonable in some areas.
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July 19th, 2012, 10:09 AM
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If the gun breaks or malfunctions and the manufacturer finds out you were shooting reloads, they won't fix it for free.
I had a "squib" round in a Kahr Arms semi-auto Thompson and I had to send in the box for the factory ammo I was using (CCI Blazer .45) as well as the fired case of the offending round.
Sure, if I were using handloads and kaboomed my gun I could always lie, I guess, and say I was shooting factory ammo but like Kahr did, they contacted the ammo company with the lot number to see if there had been any other reports of bad rounds in that lot before they would fix the gun.
I damaged a Beretta 92fs years (decades) ago shooting store bought reloads and Beretta wouldn't touch the gun. I think one was a double charge.
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July 19th, 2012, 11:51 AM
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I had a prblem with the extractor on my recently purchased Mossberg 4x4. The first question the rep asked me when I called was what type of ammo I was using. When I told him my own reloads, he said that must have cause the problem. He even went as far as saying using snap caps could have cause my problem. I understand the issue if some reloader was making up his own super hot reload, but all my loads are from publish manuals and and below maximum recommended loads. It just seems to be any easy out for them. Fortunately, the did provide the needed parts, even a second set. I shot the gun yesterday, with my reloads, and everything was good.
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