Real reason gun manfacturers are against reloadingThis is a discussion on Real reason gun manfacturers are against reloading within the Reloading forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Just a few of life's basic rules . . .
Don't tug on Superman's cape,
Don't spit into the wind,
Don't shoot someone else's reloads,
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August 10th, 2012, 07:33 AM
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#31 |
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Just a few of life's basic rules . . .
Don't tug on Superman's cape,
Don't spit into the wind,
Don't shoot someone else's reloads,
Don't reload for anyone else.
Live long and prosper.
JMHO 
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August 10th, 2012, 04:06 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Idaho
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Reloading is safe for some people and not so safe for others...When one sets about to reload they become their own QC department...Some people are just better at QC than others...thats all
I know this thread isn't about reloading disasters, yet I've seen some doozies and know people who have sent a guns or two to the scrap pile with thier reloads and yet when you ask them about their reloading practices they argue they are great reloaders.
Uh..huh...I had one fellow tell me all data in the manuals was purposely set 20% under max as a safety precaution. I did my part and explained, thats not the case and that when the data in the manual says it's a maximum load they mean it's...a maximum load. He'd just blown up a Glock with his reloads...go figure...LOL
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August 11th, 2012, 06:11 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by GunBlue  Arms manufacturers are not against reloading. They are simply stating their disclaimer of liability, which requires terse language. If you belong to a shooting club, you have signed a terse waiver that exempts the other members from anything you might do, and they are certainly not against shooting. If they didn't have this language, their factories would have been shut down many moons ago by very silly torts.
Have you not watched the lawyer ads on TV every night? Don't yell at the wrong people who are making our guns. Gun manufacturers are your friend. It's the lawyers you need to go after with tort reform, but nobody wants to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. I venture that many people who complain about gun warning labels would be the first to sign onto a class action suit for some widget they bought ten years ago. Much of what we spend on products of every sort is funding legal divisions with very big expense sheets. 
To answer Gringo, it's not a dumb question. Handloaded ammunition is no different than factory loaded ammunition, if you follow established guidelines. Arms manufacturers know this... Factory ammunition is sold in vast lots. The lots are either good or they are on the occasional recall list. If your gun blows up catastrophically and the ammo is not a listed factory recall, they know it was a handload. Modern guns simply don't blow up unless they are fed with bad ammo or their bores are obstructed; neither of which are the manufacturer's fault. If you have a gun blow up, you have greater concerns than worrying about who's going to pay for the gun... the ride in the ambulance will cost more than the gun repair. Reloading is a very safe hobby, but must be done with diligence and care, following the rules, as you would do anything. | Thanks GunBlue, good advice, unfortunately it seems the cost of product liability affects everything... I don't blame the gun manufacturers either...
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August 11th, 2012, 09:50 AM
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Even though I deeply admire the man and his accomplishments, how many fine Colt SAA revolvers did Elmer Keith destroy? How many did his loyal readers put on the scrap heap? They did lead to the development of the 44 Mag and pushed the limits of our understanding of firearms technology but there is a lot of flotsam in their wake. The firearms industry and their lawyers want no part of the liability of any of those endeavors.
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August 11th, 2012, 10:48 AM
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They do it because I'm sure some genius has filled the casing up to the brim with a fine powder like Unique (I don't reload so correct me if I'm wrong) and ram a projectile on top and call it good without measuring. They shoot it and if the gun was designed to handle such pressures, then it would be too big to use. It is just out of their control. It's like if I owned a car dealership and someone decided instead of diesel, they would use gas because it's cheaper. They screw it up, is it my fault? Same thing. I can't ride around holding everyone's hand that buys a car from me.
I don't think they are against reloading, just bad reloading. Just like it is illogical to be mad at firearms in general. It is OK to be mad at the evil looking ones though.  | |
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August 13th, 2012, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ale-8(1) Just a few of life's basic rules . . .
Don't tug on Superman's cape,
Don't spit into the wind,
Don't shoot someone else's reloads,
Don't reload for anyone else.
Live long and prosper.
JMHO | All true; just don't forget about not messing around with Jim... 
Don't forget, folks, that if a firearm manufacturer starts out by having no responsibility for your/my/our handloads, they then have the option to make adjustments or even repairs if/when/as they choose, as a good will gesture if you/I/we weren't _too_ stupid.
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August 13th, 2012, 05:52 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Maryland
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[QUOTE=Hans13;689424]They do it because I'm sure some genius has filled the casing up to the brim with a fine powder like Unique (I don't reload so correct me if I'm wrong) [QUOTE]
More like Bullseye, I'm sure you could pack x5 maybe even x8 charges or more in a .38 special with Bullseye. Ever park your bicycle in an airplane hangar? Haha
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