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Old April 3rd, 2012, 01:12 PM   #1
 
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Compressed loads in 357 with H-110

I have tried recently to load some hot loads in 357 using 125 and the new 140g FTX "Lever Action" bullets. Hornady's load recommendations at the top end would result in a compressed load, and for the life of me I cannot get the bullet to load to the cannelure, much less crimp. The max I can get in the cartridge is 17.5g, and the load data from Hornady says 22g. I don't see how they are doing it?

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That sounded like quite a load so I checked both Hornady and Hodgon's load data and this is what I found. Hope this helps.


http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/...FTXHandgun.pdf
http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/...agFTXRifle.pdf
Cartridge Loads - Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - data.hodgdon.com
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All I can suggest is that you recheck everything. Are you sure you were seating a 125 grain pill over the 17.5 grain load of H110? Is there ANY possibility that you tried to seat 140 grain pills over 17.5 grains of H110? According to Hodgdon, that would make for a fairly low-end load, but they insist that the .357 case should still hold more. I'm not attempting to impugn your reloading skills, I'm just tossing out possible things that could go wrong.
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Well, maybe somebody who has some 357 cases could try loading up around 18 gr of H-110 and then seating a 125 or even a 140 gr bullet. I have tried a couple of times now and 17.5 gr is all I can get in and still seat a bullet.

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I'm not following something here. I just loaded some .357 Mag test cartridges with W-W 296, (which is the same powder as H-110), under 125 grain Hornady XTPs. I started with 18 gr. of 296, and ended with 20 gr. in half-grain increments. In no instance was the case filled all the way up, even with the 20 grain drop. In fact, Hodgdon's load data refers to a 22 grain max. load with their 110 powder.
Are you sure these aren't .38 Special cases?
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I'm looking in my Hornady 8th edition and don't see a 110/296 load for the FTX.
Remember that the FTX requires the case to be trimmed to 1.240 instead of the normal 1.290 max case length.
Also the load data for the 125gr runs from 17.4 to 19.9 for H110 with a longer case + shorter bullet, so 22gr for the 140gr FTX doesn't sound right.

Personally I just stay the heck away from FTX since (at least in my mind) they all qualify as wildcats.
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I recently loaded some 18.0 & 19.0 loads w/h110 & 125's with no seating problem. If you are really using .357 cases I suggest you check the "zero" of you reloading scale and start over. (put a 125 bullet in the pan and see if the scale reads 125 grains)
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I recently loaded some 18.0 & 19.0 loads w/h110 & 125's with no seating problem. If you are really using .357 cases I suggest you check the "zero" of you reloading scale and start over. (put a 125 bullet in the pan and see if the scale reads 125 grains)
My thoughts exactly !!!

Make sure your using the exact same components also , cases ,primers , some cases have a difference in capacity ????
I have done some tests with a Redhawk chambered in 357 & you CAN compress it to the point it won`t burn correctly & will actually be slower across the chrony!!!

Double check everything !!!
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OK, I zeroed the scale, a Lee Balance beam, and measured 22 grains, as per the Hodgen on line data for H-110 and 125 g bullets. I poured it into the 357 case and there was about 1/8 inch room to the top. I tapped the cartridge on the loading bench to settle the powder and it dropped another 1/8 ". I seated a 125 gr bullet and it barely seated to the bottom of the crimp grove ( canelure).

So, I will take a few to the range an see how they shoot. Last week I was able to shoot some 125g bullets in my Rossi 92. I had a few loads with 296 that were 20 grain loads and they chroneyed at 2080 fps. The Remington factory loads I buy with 125g JSP rounds crony at over 2200 fps. So, maybe these with 22 grains of H-110 will get close to the factory loads.

Can't figure out why I couldn't get them to work earlier. Must not have been holding my mouth right

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What brass are you using?

Leverevolution brass is shorter than standard length .357, and some head stamps are quite a bit heavier/lower volume than other brands.
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Well, maybe somebody who has some 357 cases could try loading up around 18 gr of H-110 and then seating a 125 or even a 140 gr bullet. I have tried a couple of times now and 17.5 gr is all I can get in and still seat a bullet.

Walt
Can't figure out what your doing wrong? I load 18.5grs of Win.296 in 357 with 125gr. bullets every time I reload them and I still have space between bullet and powder.
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See the above post. I must have had my scale setup wrong, as I finally got it right. Everything is cool now.

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Check out the new data for the FTX bullets.
Max load for 357 (with UNTRIMMED cases) is 14.5 gr of H110.

Whoa on the 17 plus grains stuff. The bullets go well with the 14-14.5 gr loads. The FTX significantly reduces the capacity of the case when compared to the XTP and other more convention projectiles, so be careful with the max load.
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