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Old November 24th, 2011, 08:02 AM   #1
 
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New to Reloading 45 Long Colt

Hello All, being new to reloading I am digging way through alot reading. I own a Ruger Vaquero 45 long colt and a Ruger Blackhawk 45 long colt. Is it safe to reload a 300 grain Hornady bullet using IMR 4227 and shoot it in the Vaquero. The Hornady book only shows two loads and the second being maximum load. Just want to be safe



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Is the Vaquero an Old model or the "New" Vaquero model? Another thing, are you looking at loading "RUGER ONLY" loads in these guns?
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Welcome from Australia. Great place to be, you will like it here.
I am just setting up for .45C, good luck with it all.
New Vaquero loads will differ from old Vaquero loads.
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The vaquero can be identified whether new or old by the serial number style. If it has a bk in it it is old style. I Prefer unique to the exclusion of any other powders. I like 9.0 grains with a 300 grain bullet. However this load has a good amount of recoil and is not for everyone. It is definately too much for cowboy shooting.
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The Blackhawk can run any published 45 Colt loads such as Hodgdon Ruger Only loads with H110. But stay away from 5 Shot 45 Colt load data that FA runs in their custom 5 shot guns. These are low end 454 loads (50,000psi) If the Vaquero says "New Model Vaquero" on it stay away from the Ruger Only load data.
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It must be the new style because there is no bk in the serial number
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It is a new style because I see no bk in the serial number.
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The section of the Hornady book I am looking at has two sections one section says HANDGUN: Ruger Bisley, Blackhawk. the other section says Ruger & T/C Only. This is the section I was looking at the data for the 300 grain load. I am now thinking I should avoid this load in the Vaquero and maybe stay with the load in my Blackhawk...?
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Welcome from Australia. Great place to be, you will like it here.
I am just setting up for .45C, good luck with it all.
New Vaquero loads will differ from old Vaquero loads.
Sorry for hi-jacking this thread, but how did you get a handgun in Australia?

Friends of mine live on a farm in Yea, Victoria - not far away from Melbourne.
The only got a licence for a .410 shotgun to kill Kakadus and snakes to protect their property and lifes.

Probably you might have an idea how make it possible to convince the local authorities to extend the firearms licence to a handgun.
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Sorry for hi-jacking this thread, but how did you get a handgun in Australia?

Friends of mine live on a farm in Yea, Victoria - not far away from Melbourne.
The only got a licence for a .410 shotgun to kill Kakadus and snakes to protect their property and lifes.

Probably you might have an idea how make it possible to convince the local authorities to extend the firearms licence to a handgun.
Handguns are legal in Australia, I've got a safe full.
Your friends in VIC can do the same, they just have to apply and "jump through all the right hoops".
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If you have a New Vaquero .45 Colt (serial # xxx-yyyyyy), then AVOID the Ruger Only Load section in your manual like the plague. The Blackhawk in .45 Colt (xx-yyyyy) can use the Ruger Only Load section. If you are new to reloading, I'd avoid the Ruger Only Load section all-together until you are up to speed on loading normal .45 Colt loads. That would be my course of action.

As for are using IMR 4227, it is an excellent powder. Fills the case well, so easy to check powder level. Meters very well.... and good results with it. Always use a magnum primer under it though. I don't have any experience with it with at 300g bullet, but I do like it under a 250g RNFP or 255g SWC. One of my favorite powders. It will leave some unburnt granules down the barrel, but no big deal!
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I now understand the two sections of the Hornady Handbook allot better. I also own a 1860 HENRY RIFLE 45 long colt rifle and I should probably avoid Ruger Blackhawk loads in the rifle as well.....? You guys have been very helpful in helping this newcomer get some new insight.

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Just to fill in the gaps:

Just to fill in the gaps.

The prior incarnation of the Vaquero used the Blackhawk frame and is as strong as any Blackhawk.

The New Vaquero uses a slightly smaller, lighter frame and is not as strong as the Blackhawks and Vaqueros (now being called "Old Vaqueros").

So, DO NOT USE the higher-powered (so called) "Ruger Only" load data. These data are safe only in very strong guns, like Thompson-Contender, certain (check with the manufacturer) rifles and carbines, Colt Anaconda (I think), arms chambered for the 454 Casull and 460 Smith & Wesson and the like, and, of course, Ruger Blackhawks, including the "Old" Vaquero.

Do not confuse the "New" adjective as applied to the name "Vaquero" with the terminology describing the actions of Ruger revolvers that have ("New Model") a transfer bar (a safety feature that allows safe carry with all chambers loaded) vs Original Ruger revolvers that don't. Or the old models that have been converted to incorporate the transfer bar.

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I too want to do my own reloading but I have no idea where to start... Also i have a Bisley SS 5.5 New Vaquero and an Old SS Vaquero im picking up in a couple of days...
What do i need to get started?
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