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Old July 24th, 2011, 09:40 PM   #1
 
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Unburnt powder, 45 colt, 2400.

Hey everyone.

Went to the range today to practice with my blackhawk.... load was 17.5gr of 2400 behind a 255gr LSWC, seated to the crimp groove.... CCI large pistol primers.

I like how the load feels, recoil is good, and I think the velocities should be in the 1100-1200fps range which should be plenty for deer hunting.

I didn't notice that I got unbrunt powder coming out the barrel/left in the cases... I put a pretty good crimp on the bullets... could magnum primers be the solution to this or do I need to boost my load? I'd really rather not, as I don't need it to be any hotter.

My other option will be to go with universal instead of 2400, but all the loads I made with those had a much sharper recoil than the 2400 has.

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You may need a tighter crimp.When I used 2400 to load my 44mag I dropped 24gr 2400 under 240 bullet and that was a solid 1,200fps round
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That might not be enough for a complete burn. The .45 Colt case is pretty big, and 2400 kinda likes to be run at hotter loads. My "hotter" .45 Colt load is a bit stiffer than that and performs very well, with a complete burn. Chronos 1,260 fps in the Super Redhawk 7.5" bbl.

You might consider looking to a somewhat faster burning powder if you don't want additional recoil.
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You may need a tighter crimp.When I used 2400 to load my 44mag I dropped 24gr 2400 under 240 bullet and that was a solid 1,200fps round
24 gr of 2400? That sounds like an overload. Max suggested load in Modern Reloading by Richard Lee Second Edition 20.6 gr. Lyman in their latest Cast Bullet Handbook lists the max load as 22,2.
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That might not be enough for a complete burn. The .45 Colt case is pretty big, and 2400 kinda likes to be run at hotter loads. My "hotter" .45 Colt load is a bit stiffer than that and performs very well, with a complete burn. Chronos 1,260 fps in the Super Redhawk 7.5" bbl.

You might consider looking to a somewhat faster burning powder if you don't want additional recoil.
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My .45's run a bit hotter than your load. I've found with 2400 if you have unburnt check and see if you have room to go up.

On the other topic, Amigo - Is that .44 @ 240 lead or jacketed? I like hot loads, but that tops mine either way
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24 gr of 2400? That sounds like an overload. Max suggested load in Modern Reloading by Richard Lee Second Edition 20.6 gr. Lyman in their latest Cast Bullet Handbook lists the max load as 22,2.
My loads were what J.D. Jones and Larry Kelly were putting out as hunting loads. The 25.5gr of 296 under a JDJ 320HC crimped in the second grove were real fun.
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My loads were what J.D. Jones and Larry Kelly were putting out as hunting loads. The 25.5gr of 296 under a JDJ 320HC crimped in the second grove were real fun.
Ah, second crimp groove. I've got some for the 44 and 45 that I have cooked up. Not for the timid
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My loads were what J.D. Jones and Larry Kelly were putting out as hunting loads. The 25.5gr of 296 under a JDJ 320HC crimped in the second grove were real fun.
When was that data published? Old 2400 was slower than the current 2400.
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When was that data published? Old 2400 was slower than the current 2400.
Up through the early 90's.Not much on 2400 as most loads were for heavy bullets and 110/296 was the powder of choice
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My loads were what J.D. Jones and Larry Kelly were putting out as hunting loads. The 25.5gr of 296 under a JDJ 320HC crimped in the second grove were real fun.
The max load for 296 that I can locate is 21.5 grs forn the JDJ 320HC. What is the source of your reload data?
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T heavier crimp, and Mag. primers will help with then burnt powder. personally I like 296 better than 2400. Cleaner burning for my money. just me.
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For sure try the Mag primers, and use a heavy crimp.
I load 45 Colts, 454 Casul's and 460 S&W's all for my S&W 460V using 2400 and Federal Mag primers with no unburnt powder problems.
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For sure try the Mag primers, and use a heavy crimp.
I load 45 Colts, 454 Casul's and 460 S&W's all for my S&W 460V using 2400 and Federal Mag primers with no unburnt powder problems.
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I would not use mag primers with 2400.

2400, unless run on the ragged edge, has always left unburnt powder for me. Nature of the beast. If your accuracy is good, I wouldn't worry about it. Firmer crimp might help, but again, I crimp the hell out of mine, and run them at max (Ruger only max), and I still have unburnt powder.

I just look at the ragged hole in the target and shrug it off
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For sure try the Mag primers, and use a heavy crimp.
I load 45 Colts, 454 Casul's and 460 S&W's all for my S&W 460V using 2400 and Federal Mag primers with no unburnt powder problems.
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I should clarify my post.
I use Federal Large Pistol Mag primers for 45 Colts
454's use Small Rifle primers
460's use Large Rifle primers
All with 2400 powder
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