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Old December 21st, 2010, 01:29 PM   #1
 
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Smile Light Loads with 2400 for .44mag??

Just picked up & shot a nib SS SBH, .44mag, 5.5in bbl !!! It looks like a million bucks & feels like the "Big Iron" of old.I'm shooting a 240gr copper plated bullet with 18-20grs of 2400.I'm having some doubts about buying this beauty due to the recoil & bruised knuckes! Is there such a thing as a lighter load with Alliant's 2400 or is it one of the "Hot" powders for said pistola? I'm wondering if a lighter bullet or different powder would fix this? Also, would .44 special be that much lighter? SgtRock



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Old December 21st, 2010, 04:42 PM   #2
 
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If it were me, I'd use a faster powder for the lighter loads. My favorite is Bluedot. Start around 13 grains, that should yield about 1200 fps. using that bullet.
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Is there such a thing as a lighter load with Alliant's 2400 or is it one of the "Hot" powders for said pistola? I'm wondering if a lighter bullet or different powder would fix this? Also, would .44 special be that much lighter? SgtRock
Like you, I really like the feel of the Super Blackhawk. However, hot loads will cause the square trigger guard to rap your middle finger knuckle and hotter loads will snap the gun back hard enough for the hammer to bite the web of your hand! (some day I will fit a Blackhawk hammer...)

When I'm in the mood for light target loads in my SBH, I just use .44 Special loading data. Much more relaxing .
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Look on Hogdons site , alot of people like UNIVERSAL or HS-6 for lite to med loads in the Magmum Cases .
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Yep, for the first year after I got my SBH, I'd come home with a bloody middle finger (recoil doesn't bother me, so I didn't notice the "Ruger bite" on my finger until I started bleeding!). Other than reduced loads, like mentioned above with Special level loads, my "fix" was a bandaid with the padded part across my finger where the trigger guard hits. One load I'm trying now is 9.0 gr Unique under a 250 gr. SWC, haven't shot it yet, looking forward to an easy shooting load...

Check your manual and try some high end Special loads in your Magnum brass
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I changed the grips on mine so I could control the recoil better. A good light plinking load is 8 gr of unique with a 240 gr cast bullets.

The recoil for 44 special loads should be substantially less.
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Last year, I inherited an original Flat top 44 mag. Along with it came several hundred reloaded 44 mag rounds. Some were 16gr 2400 over 240gr LSWC in 44 mag brass. Most were 18gr 2400 over 240gr LSWC in 44 mag brass. I pulled one of each to verify (my father-in-law was an engineer and anal about this stuff, but I had to check) and found it to be accurate. They were loaded back in the 50's some time. I have shot some of these and duplicated them with modern brass, bullets and powder. I even stepped it up to 19gr, 20gr and 21gr of 2400. I can tell you that those 16gr and 18gr rounds are absolutely sweet! Just like shooting a 44 spl. No problems with leading, dirty anything or any other problem. The higher loadings were a bit more accurate and still fun to shoot. 18gr 2400 with 200gr RNFP bullets were nice to shoot and accurate too.
I say try the 2400 loaded lightly, you'll love it!

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Old December 22nd, 2010, 02:11 PM   #8
 
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18gr of 2400 is fairly low and on longer shots you should be able to see the bullet flying.You might shoot some 44 special till you get used to the gun
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How about using Bullseye?
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 02:27 PM   #10
 
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Well, I've used 2400, H110, (my powder of choice now), Titegroup, and Universal with my SBH Hunter. I've not used those light loads with 2400 and, of course, you can NOT lighten up with H-110! But the light loads of Titegroup and Universal work quite nicely, and shoot very mildly.

I would recommend that you just download the 44 Mag brass, rather than using 44 Spec brass. To avoid that "ring around the chamber" that you get with that shorter brass.

If you try to use manual data for the 44 Spec and put it into 44 Mag brass, be aware that because of the significantly larger volume of the latter, the energy level of your load will be LESS than if it were loaded in 44 Spec brass. Maybe a LOT less. This MIGHT lead to a squib load, so be careful doing this. I'd suggest you just stay with light loads published for 44 MAG, not for 44 Spec, because of this possibility.

After shooting my normal hunting loads, one day at the range I had a few 44 SPec rounds left over, so shot them up. In comparison, it felt like a lightly loaded 38!
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I prefer Universal Clays and HS6 for light/medium .44/.41 loads. Using 2400 for .44 Special loads seems wasteful, and it's not really how 2400 was designed to be used.
I will NEVER, EVER use Bullseye nor any other low-weight powder for large-cased cartridges. It's simply too easy to double charge.
Say what you will, I've loaded thousands of magnum pistol loads over the years, and I've never had a too-hot round damage a gun - although I've seen a lot of other guys damage their guns trying to save a few cents on powder.
BTW - I use lots of .44 Special cases in .44 Mag, no problem. I always clean my chamber holes anyway, and I think you get more accuracy with less open space in the cartridge.

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I agree with the comments about using the .44 Mag brass -- no need to use .44 Spl brass.

I'm an advocate of Trail Boss for lighter/target loads. It meters very well, is very consistent, and you can't over-fill the case by mistake. This powder is very popular with the Cowboy Action gang.
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I will NEVER, EVER use Bullseye nor any other low-weight powder for large-cased cartridges. It's simply too easy to double charge.
Say what you will, I've loaded thousands of magnum pistol loads over the years, and I've never had a too-hot round damage a gun - although I've seen a lot of other guys damage their guns trying to save a few cents on powder.
Well, I have to agree completely with this statement! On the very, (VERY) few occasions where I simply have to use a powder that doesn't fill the cases to more than half full, I check, recheck, and then check again to make SURE that I've not double-charged.
Why? Let me tell you why: I have on 3 occasions lifted the press arm and had powder spill onto the table. Yep, double-charged. FORTUNATELY, I was using a powder amount that could NOT all be contained in the brass if double-charged.
No, I have not blown up a gun, but these things have made me extremely wary of small charges in big cases. It CAN happen.

Use the right powder, and save yourself some grief!
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I really enjoy my several single action revolvers. However, I am one of those guys that the gun really beats my knuckle up with single action grips. Many, many years ago I found a REAL solution for me. That is Pachmayr grips. From my sixties purchased Super Black Hawk to my recent 50th Anniversary .44 Magnum and .44 Lipsey Special Pachmayr grips do it all for me. Better control, no pain, and better shooting all 'round.





Single or double action they do it for me. I can shoot full loads all day without discomfort. After that, the lack of "bling" doesn't bother me AT ALL! My "Bling" is a good target!



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Good lookin' pistola's there Dale...and not a bad target either...Rod
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