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Old October 14th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #1
 
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Looking for a good Wadcutter load

I have a Blackhawk in 357 coming in tomorrow and would like to try some wadcutter loads. Any pet loads that you are happy with. Also, what distance do you normally shoot them?

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Old October 14th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #2
 
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My wife and I like the 148 gr HBWC, shoot from about 7 to 10 yards. We have them loaded in both the 100 and the 101 for in the home defense. Outside the home its Hornady critical defense in 125 gr. HBWC great to target shoot with, low recoil, shoot em' all day, and accurate.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #3
 
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My home cast Lyman 158 grain, plain-base, button-nose 358432s, using Lyman and RCBS published loads, will shoot cloverleafs at 25-yards. However, load developement is on-going.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #4
 
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Sorry newtmaker, wasn't paying attention to what forum I was in. Haven't gotten into reloading yet.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #5
 
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Here's what I like to use....

148gr. HBWC's (Zero Swagged)
2.7gr. Bullseye
WSP
Mixed Brass
Flush seating with a MINIMUM crimp.
FPS: 717 fps (S&W M15-4 w/4" barrel)
726 fps out of S&W Model 52-2

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Old October 15th, 2010, 05:57 AM   #6
 
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The HBWC's look interesting. How do they compare to a cone shaped wadcutter accuracy wise?

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Old October 15th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #7
 
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148gr wadcutter in 357mag case(saves getting lead out of cylinder from 38spl rds) over
3.0gr Red Dot powder. I have used this load since the mid-70's
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Old October 15th, 2010, 07:27 AM   #8
 
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I use a standard bevel base wadcutter,148 gr with 3.0 grains of Bullseye in .357 mag cases.

I too,like using 357 cases to eliminate the "38 spl ring" in the chambers.


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I use an old RCBS mold for 148 Grain BBWC's. Wheel-weight lead with about 5% added tin provides bullets that cast beautifully at 143 to 144 grains. My goal with these bullets is "X-Ring" accuracy at 25 yards with the least recoil possible for our Bullseye matches.

Using 3.3 grains of Bullseye in .357 Mag cases, I've seen the following average velocities:

- 6" GP100 = 813 fps
- 4" GP100 = 781 fps
- 3" SP101 = 755 fps

I get great groups as the charge of Bullseye goes up, but 3.3 grains is the least amount (i.e., the lowest recoil) I have found to give consistently excellent groups from .357 Mag cases. An "excellent" group for me is 6-shots into less than 2", c-t-c, at 25 yards from sandbags with the 6" GP100. I shoot the 3" SP101 sometimes, "just for fun," and get 25-yard groups of less than 3" with this load.

The 3.3 grains of Bullseye with my cast bullets in .357 Mag cases gives a small amount of forcing cone leading, a clean bore, and black bullet lube soot all over the gun which wipes off with a few drops of solvent on a rag.

After using Bullseye since the 60's, I just started experimenting with HP-38 and find it flows like water through my powder drop, drops very consistent charges, and give "almost" as good of groups as Bullseye.

When I get my chronograph working again, I'll have another go at HP-38, but it appears to need a tiny bit more powder than Bullseye to get about the same size groups and velocity. I need more time to experiment before making up my mind on HP-38, but from what I've seen, I like it too:-)

In response to your question about the distance for shooting wadcutter loads, I shoot slow-fire at 50 yards and timed- and rapid-fire at 25 yards. The "X-Ring" on an NRA target is about 1.6" so I strive to keep my "sand bag group size" at less than 2".

On a good day with the 6" GP100, I have had 6-shot groups that averaged about 1.5" at 25 yards with my cast bullets. The best I've ever done with store-bought HBWC bullets is about 2" at 25 yards (and I've always had some amount of barrel leading with the HBWC's). By the way, my bullets make neat round holes in the target while I've never had store-bought HBWC's that did not keyhole a bit from every revolver I've ever owned.

JMHO - YRMV

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I use an H&G six cavity mould for a #251 double ended wad cutter (148 grs). I seat in .38 Special cases with the first band out of the case (to help align in the cylinder throats). Seated out, I taper crimp on the rear of the first band. I load 3.5 grs. of Bullseye. This is a bit heavier than most load the wadcutters. However, I have found that solid base wadcutters benefit from a somewhat heavier charge than the hollow base wadcutters.

My .38 Specials and .357 Magnums will shoot this load under 1" at 25 yards.

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158 gr Hornady XTP HP over 5.5 gr Titegroup is my favorite OAL-1.585.

148 gr DEWC 3.1gr titegroup 1.290 OAL
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