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Old May 8th, 2017, 08:30 PM   #1
 
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Hi folks, I need some advice!!! I bought some Berry's 200 grain plated flat target hollow points. I loaded them with 7.4 grains of Power Pistol (Hornady Data with same weight bullet) at an OAL of 1.275. (Berry's Recommended Length). Once I got them loaded I couldn't get them to chamber because the slide wouldn't come all the way forward. I finally had to back it down to 1.175 to get it to chamber. I did some research online and discovered that others have had the same problem. Has anyone had any experience with this situation? From what I can tell the bullet wouldn't touch the powder, but being that the bullet would be seated so deep are they safe to fire? Should I pull the bullet and back off on the load?

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I would think you MAY be ok with that bullet seating depth. Most manuals call for a seating depth of 1.160 to 1.235 for a lead 200gr. bullet. The overall length on seating depth in most manuals is only a guide which you may have to change depending on your gun and it's chamber. Seating deeper will raise pressure, but if you are not at max pressure you should be ok in most cases. You will find that on occasions with different guns you will have to seat deeper in order for the round to fully chamber as you found in this case.
On other guns you may have to adjust the seating depth for better feeding from the magazine.

Some reloaders will remove their barrel from the gun and do the drop test before reloading too many rounds. Take your first round and drop it into the barrel chamber to see if it drops fully into the chamber with the base of the cartridge rim flush with the end of the barrel hood. If it sticks up high, you have to seat deeper or your taper crimp may have to be adjusted until it is flush with the back of the hood. In your case it sounds like your bullet ogive was hitting the barrel lands that prevented it being fully seated. That is also a condition that can raise pressure.

You also did not say what bullet Hornady was using that gave a AOL of 1.275. The two AOL I gave you above are from the Lyman Cast Bullet manual that is for 200 gr. cast lead bullets and your 7.4 gr. of powder is max in that manual for a Lyman 200 gr. SW lead bullet at a COL of 1.235. Your seating depth and powder charge may put you in +P velocity and pressure. I will not give advise to shoot or pull bullets as that is totally up to you and how lucky you feel.

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7.4 gr of Power Pistol under a 200 gr bullet in .45 ACP will likely be a pretty snappy load. I recently tried 7.1 gr under a plated 230 gr RN bullet in my mil-spec 1911A1, and the recoil was very stiff, with considerable muzzle rise. My 6.0 gr W231 loads with the same bullet were much more 'shootable'. I'm going to try a smaller charge of PP, around 6.5 gr, and see if it shoots better and see what they chrono at. 825-850 fps with a 230 gr bullet is what I am looking for in a .45 ACP load.
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I'd probably pull those if it were me. That charge is pretty near max according to the info provided. Not wort the risk.
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I've had to reseat some round nose bullets deeper because the bullets were tripping the slide stop lever.
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Thanks folks, I'm probably going to pull them and back it down some. According to Hornady Manual, their 200 gr jacketed bullet with 7.4 gr of PP is supposed to be around 900 fps. With max loads being 8.2 grains at over 1,000 fps. Perhaps this info may not work on a plated bullet? I think my plated bullet may be longer? As you can tell, I'm still learning! I didn't want these to be bunny fart loads, because I wanted to train using something similar to what a defense load would be. However, I don't want super hot loads either! Berry's says their bullets can handle 1,250 fps. I don't want to be shooting a 45 acp load at 1,250 fps!! Besides, it's hard to train when your gun is blown up, and or, your missing some fingers!

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If you get the Blue Press, Dillon's monthly catalog, there was an article in there on loading plated bullets. Apparently, it has a procedure all it's own. Which is why I never bought any!
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If you get the Blue Press, Dillon's monthly catalog, there was an article in there on loading plated bullets. Apparently, it has a procedure all it's own. Which is why I never bought any!
Maybe you have no need for plated bullets, but some indoor ranges require patrons to shoot only bullets with no exposed lead except for the tip. That means no FMJ bullets with exposed lead bases, and no cast/swaged lead bullets.
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Rugerpatriot, I have loaded over 20 thousand rounds of plated bullets for my practice and match ammo when I was completing in IDPA matches. They are a very good economic bullet for practice and match shooting.
Just be sure you bell the case mouth enough to prevent scraping the copper plating off. Use a die that taper crimps the case mouth and do not over crimp which will damage the bullet and produce poor accuracy. I prefer to taper crimp in a separate stage on my progressive Dillion press.
Since you are using a 200 gr. bullet, instead of 230 gr. and want your load to duplicate factory loads. Try for a load that is around 925 fps in velocity and within safety specs for pressure.

When you are looking for reloading data on your plated bullets, you can use the data for hard cast lead bullets since they are lead bullets with a very thin copper coating that is softer then your normal jacketed bullet.

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Rugerpatriot, I have loaded over 20 thousand rounds of plated bullets for my practice and match ammo when I was completing in IDPA matches. They are a very good economic bullet for practice and match shooting.

Just be sure you bell the case mouth enough to prevent scraping the copper plating off. Use a die that taper crimps the case mouth and do not over crimp which will damage the bullet and produce poor accuracy. I prefer to taper crimp in a separate stage on my progressive Dillion press.

Since you are using a 200 gr. bullet, instead of 230 gr. and want your load to duplicate factory loads. Try for a load that is around 925 fps in velocity and within safety specs for pressure.



When you are looking for reloading data on your plated bullets, you can use the data for hard cast lead bullets since they are lead bullets with a very thin copper coating that is softer then your normal jacketed bullet.

Thanks for the advice! Would it be safe to say that most hard cast lead data would apply to Plated rounds as well?
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GONRA sez ALL reloaders should make SURE every round passes some kinda "free, loose chambering" test in their semiautos.
Use the barrel, use a gauge, but DOIT. Especially with yer Super Duper Cast Bullet loads.
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Hi folks, I need some advice!!! I bought some Berry's 200 grain plated flat target hollow points. I loaded them with 7.4 grains of Power Pistol (Hornady Data with same weight bullet) at an OAL of 1.275. (Berry's Recommended Length). Once I got them loaded I couldn't get them to chamber because the slide wouldn't come all the way forward. I finally had to back it down to 1.175 to get it to chamber. I did some research online and discovered that others have had the same problem. Has anyone had any experience with this situation? From what I can tell the bullet wouldn't touch the powder, but being that the bullet would be seated so deep are they safe to fire? Should I pull the bullet and back off on the load?

Thanks in advance!
You are mistaken about the C.O.L. that Berry's recommends for that bullet. I would suggest double checking.
I posted that sheet in the forum Library a while back, as I use a lot of Berrys bullets.
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You are mistaken about the C.O.L. that Berry's recommends for that bullet. I would suggest double checking.

I posted that sheet in the forum Library a while back, as I use a lot of Berrys bullets.

Perhaps I didn't understand what it meant when it said the Max COL of 1.275. I am a newbie and I can be wrong. Here is the link to what I was going by:

https://www.berrysmfg.com/item/bp-45-452-200gr-thp
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GONRA sez ALL reloaders should make SURE every round passes some kinda "free, loose chambering" test in their semiautos.
Use the barrel, use a gauge, but DOIT. Especially with yer Super Duper Cast Bullet loads.

Gonra,

That's what I eventually did to try to figure out what the *%!~ was going on. I took my barrel out and dropped a factory load into it, then tried mine. Big difference! I kept seating the bullet lower till it did the same. Thanks for the recommendation, I'm going to do it EVERY TIME from now on!

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I finally got time to sneak off behind the subdivision I live in and test fired a few rounds! I pulled the bullets and. Loaded up 6.8 gn of power pistol with the seated bullet at COL of 1.175. Mild to moderate recoil and all 5 bullets fed except 1. I tapped and racked and it went all the way into battery and fired. I guess I finally got it somewhat figured out. I'm thinking that because of the flat shape of the bullet perhaps it must be seated deeper than a round nose bullet?
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