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Old May 4th, 2017, 01:30 PM   #16
 
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GONRA's semiautos are always Really Happy with Blue Dot Powder
for .44 Mag (Desert Eagle), .44 Auto Mag (Auto Mag) , .45 Winchester Magnum (Grizzley, AMT).

Not the Highest Velocity or anything, just EZ reloading and EZ ignition.
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JLDickmon, The optimum powder burn rate for 357 Mag, 41 Mag, and 44 Mag are virtually identical. That's because of the case capacities versus bullet diameter and weight ratios are much the same. Clays can be used for very light target loads in any of the three magnum cases but it burns way too fast for higher velocity loads. If you loaded Clays to Mag velocities, chamber pressure will be way over SAAMI max. CFE is a great medium burn rate powder .... excellent for 45 ACP, 9mm, or 40 S&W but too fast burning for any of the full power magnum loads but great for mid-range loads in magnum cartridges. The concept is simple but opposite of what many people think. You want faster burning powder for light loads and slower burning powders for magnum high velocity loads.

Some of the popular slow burning powders suitable for magnum loads are: VV N110, H-110, W-296, IMR 4327, Lil'Gun, Blue Dot, and 2400. All of these powders are capable of driving velocities to magnum levels without exceeding SAAMI max chamber pressure. Many other powders are great for target loads (fast burn rate) or mid-range loads (medium burn rate).

The OP did not specify what bullet weights and velocities he intended to load so the very first task is to buy a current production reloading manual .... Speer and Hornady are excellent. Look in the manual and determine what bullets you want to load based on application ... ie jacketed hollow points for hunting or self defense, FMJ for magnum plinking rounds, lead bullets for lighter target loads, etc. Next is to determine what velocity you want. Look at the load chart and determine what powders gives you a range of velocities close to what you want with your desired bullet weight. Make a list of those powders then go to your LGS and see if they have any of them in stock.

Use your reloading manual like a Bible until you get a couple years experience under your belt. Loads listed in reloading manuals are safe providing you stay with the exact recipe, however the hotter you load, the faster your gun will wear. My suggestion .... start with some mild mid-range loads, medium burn rate powders, and popular bullet weights. Unique, Power Pistol, CFE, and Universal are all great. Keep your velocities in the middle of the chart. Don't go ballistic and load barn burners until you gain some experience. Keep us posted on your progress!
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I also have been quite happy with H110 in my .357 ,.41, and .44 magnums as well as my .22 Hornet rifles.
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I have to agree with the recommendations for W-296 or H110 if you want upper end velocity in the both 44 & 357 mag. Both W-296 and H110 are distributed by Hodgdon powder Co. and are the same powder with different labels. Hodgdon has a online web site where you can obtain reloading data for both calibers.
2400 is also a good powder, but some reloaders are reporting it is hard to find in their area. The Hodgdon reloading site will also give you several powder selections for light to mid range loads that will be easy on the gun and you for practice.

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I'm old school - Unique for .44. My SRH (7-1/2") seems to like about 10.1 or 10.2 gr best with a 240 gr. jacketed hollow point.
That loading is more like slow school... Why spend the money on jacketed bullets for shooting at 1000 fps, when 240 gr LSWC bullets will do as well with that loading and be less expensive?
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That loading is more like slow school... Why spend the money on jacketed bullets for shooting at 1000 fps, when 240 gr LSWC bullets will do as well with that loading and be less expensive?
Because I load based FIRST on the desired bullet and its characteristics. For my .44 mag loads, the end use will be hunting or self defense, and IMHO, a JHP is best for those purposes.
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Because I load based FIRST on the desired bullet and its characteristics. For my .44 mag loads, the end use will be hunting or self defense, and IMHO, a JHP is best for those purposes.

Soooo... If you are hunting with your .44 Mag loads, why limit your velocity with Unique powder under a 240 gr JHP? H110/W296 powder, and a few other powders, will provide higher velocities with acceptable pressures for those jacketed bullets.

To me (and also many others), using Unique in .44 Magnum loads is for mid range target/plinking loads. Maybe you're hunting small game with those lower powdered loads?
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Believe it or not, there are no secret formulas out there. You get a couple of manuals, buy some powder that appears in both, and work up the load from start.
As a purely general statement, I find that 2400 gives me better accuracy in magnums then any other powder I have tried (and there are lots of powders I haven't tried). 4227 and 4759 are close. 296/H110 just haven't been as accurate in .357 Mag, .44 Rem Mag, or .45 Win Mag. However, all guns are individuals in terms of likes and dislikes.
I have some magnums that love light for cartridge bullets and some that love heavy for cartridge bullets, but in general, 158gn for .357 and 240gn for .44 Mag are good places to start.
Don't waste money on plated--get real jacketed bullets (JHP preferred) from Zero, Montana Gold, or Precision Delta. Cast bullets work well, but you need to learn about lead bullets first and jacketed are great for learning to load any cartridge.
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Soooo... If you are hunting with your .44 Mag loads, why limit your velocity with Unique powder under a 240 gr JHP? H110/W296 powder, and a few other powders, will provide higher velocities with acceptable pressures for those jacketed bullets.

To me (and also many others), using Unique in .44 Magnum loads is for mid range target/plinking loads. Maybe you're hunting small game with those lower powdered loads?
Hunting targets would be mostly short-range eastern whitetails, and I believe that the velocities/energy with Unique are plenty adequate. No need to strive for the max velocity (and max recoil).
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...Don't waste money on plated--get real jacketed bullets (JHP preferred) from Zero, Montana Gold, or Precision Delta...
Are Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler jacketed pistol bullets not good enough?
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>Are Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler jacketed pistol bullets not good enough?

Sure, if you are rich enough to buy them. Why?
I was mentioning a better choice than plated, not buying the "gold" standard.
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noylj, I pinch pennies when I load plinkin' ammo .... cheap cast lead bullets, using Bullseye powder that gets the most loads per pound. I used to shoot a 1000 rounds a month but now its more like 1000 rounds a year and declining. When I load 357 Mags or any other magnum cartridge, it's certainly NOT for plinkin', it's for self defense or hunting where I want the best quality bullet I can get. I do shoot maybe 50 rounds a year of my "premium ammo" just to maintain proficiency and to keep the ammo fresh but I DON'T pinch pennies when the performance of the ammo is important.
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