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Old April 24th, 2017, 07:15 PM   #1
 
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Rookie Mistake

Any advice welcome.

I was reloading for a ruger blackhawk in .357 this evening, with bullets from a new mold. I completly forgot to weigh the final powder coatedbullet to get my load data started, and just went with the published weigh on the mold: 158 grains.

So I have 50 rounds of 165 gr lswc, powdercoated, over 10 grains of HS-6 and am wondering if they are over sammi but still shootable. The max load for a 158 gr lswc is 10.2 grains.

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Shoot wrong forum. Mods can you move this to reloading?

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If any consolation, Ruger has tested all their firearms at 40% OVER max load.
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Any advice welcome.

I was reloading for a ruger blackhawk in .357 this evening, with bullets from a new mold. I completly forgot to weigh the final powder coatedbullet to get my load data started, and just went with the published weigh on the mold: 158 grains.

So I have 50 rounds of 165 gr lswc, powdercoated, over 10 grains of HS-6 and am wondering if they are over sammi but still shootable. The max load for a 158 gr lswc is 10.2 grains.

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I would tear them down and save the components. They're bullets you cast yourself so they can be melted and re-cast; and the primer and powder can be reclaimed. Just a little time involvement and a lesson learned. I don't like to hot rod reloads. Zack
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Old April 25th, 2017, 10:02 AM   #5
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I think I'd pull 'em. Seven grains heavier wouldn't be much of a problem with starting loads, but near max. could lead to problems. Err on the side of safety, pull 'em...
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Went ahead and put them in tbe pull'um pile. Reduced thebload to 9.5 and shot 50 rounds into a three inch raggef hole at 15 yards. Great day at the range. Thank you much for the replies.

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FWIW; I just looked at the Hodgdon web site load data for 357 Magnum and found HS-6 for a 158 gr Lead bullet to be 6.0-7.0 grains. Why does this differ from your data?
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I noticed that as well. It is my belief that their database is incorrect. If you notice the pressure along with the load, it is very very low. To me it looks like a .38 special load. I emailed them about it and have not heard back. The load data I am using is from the lyman cast bullet handbook.

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If any consolation, Ruger has tested all their firearms at 40% OVER max load.
That's interesting, and good to know. Is this documented anywhere?

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Pampurrs , No but SAAMI standards for proof loads are 130% of the rated chamber pressure. Gun manufacturers can test at higher pressures if they so desire .... as long as it is at least at SAAMI specs. No gun is intended to shoot proof loads other than to verify initial strength at the factory.
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I was just looked at the Hodgdon site and they list loads for 158 grain Hornady up into the 9 grain range but your load is still over their recommended max and they listed their max load at 41,000 psi. That is getting right up there at the top end. IMO the cast bullet data is not a mistake but a recommendation at a velocity level. I think I have seen the same thing in other calibers and powders. Still your loads as done seem to be an overload. Break them down IMO.
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I noticed that as well. It is my belief that their database is incorrect
Just to satisfy my curiosity, how did you arrive at this conclusion?
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Comparing it to other published load data available. As noted, the lyman cast bullet handbook, amongest others.

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Also, the low cup rating

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Dear Rookie:
The first rule of reloading is to always start at the START load.
Second rule that I have is you always check at least two sources and start at the LOWEST START load.
Next, you always check bullet weight. Manufacturer's can mislabel boxes (in your case, either your mold has a problem or the alloy is softer than they designed it for).
Finally, you can always use the data for the next heavier bullet of the same construction.
There is no excuse NOT to have started at the start load.
For a 170gn jacketed bullet, the MAX dose in ONE manual (and that means you only know what happened in ONE test set-up with one lot of powder--unlikely to be the same as yours--and a totally different bullet, primer, case, COL, and test gun) of HS6 is 9.2gn. Lead bullets almost always use a lower charge to produce the same sort of pressure and velocity.
One manual shows for 158gn L-RN, that 8.1gn of HS6 produces 35000 psi and they don't recommend going above 7.9gn and for a 158gn L-SWC, that 8.2gn of HS6 produces 35000psi and they don't recommend going over 7.9gn.
I wouldn't shoot them.
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