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Old April 23rd, 2017, 05:15 PM   #1
 
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.30-30 die purchase

Up to this point I have only reloaded straight walled revolver cartridges. 45 LC, .38, and .357. I am considering buying a set of dies and reloading some .30-30 for my Marlin 336. I have complied quite a bit of brass and I want to do it.

In your opinion, should I get a 4 die set as I am used to for the handgun cartridges I am accustomed to?...or will a 3 die set be just fine. I know you CAN crimp with the seating die, but I am not familiar with how to do so as I have always used a FC Die.



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Most rifle die sets are just two dies. I use an RCBC set with just the two dies. Never been an issue other than it would be nice to flare the case mouths when seating lead cast bullets.
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I have always used just the standard die set. Be aware that the 30/30 case is very thin, so use the case lube sparingly. Too much on the neck and shoulder can cause dents in the shoulder. They don't really hurt anything, but they can be avoided. Too much crimp can crumple the shoulder, too, which IS a problem, so watch for that.

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I use the 3-die sets for 30-30.
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I use two die set for .30-30...

I seat and crimp in two separate steps though...

Actually, I seat and crimp everything in two steps...
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I use a 2 die RCBS to resize and seat the bullet. I use a Lee FCD to apply the proper crimp.
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For .30-30 I've been using an RCBS two die set (it was free from a friend which got me to buy a Marlin lever gun ) I then added a Lee rifle crimp die because I prefer to seat and crimp in separate stages.
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The easiest method for a new reloader is to use a 2 die set, seat all the bullets with the seater die, back off on the seating stem and lower the body until you get the crimp you want and crimp in a final operation..

The FCD for rifle dies is a good tool unlike the FCD for handguns as it is a collet crimping die (the collet squeezes the case mouth). The Pacesetter 3 die set includes the sizer and seating dies and a FCD for rifled crimp die (collet crimp). If I were going to get a new set for my 30-30 (I have a very old, very good Herter's 30-30 die set) I'd go with the 3 die set by Lee...

LEE .30/30 WIN 3 DIE SET
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Most rifle die sets are just two dies. I use an RCBC set with just the two dies. Never been an issue other than it would be nice to flare the case mouths when seating lead cast bullets.
I also have used just a two die set with all of my rifle calibers. You should be fine with a two die set for the 30/30. I have used RCBS for years but any good set such as Hornady, RCBS, Lee but one thing on a Lee die set take the time to buy a RCBS shell holder. The Lee shell holders seem to have a sloppy loose fit!!! BTW you might want to try the Hornady Flex Tip bullets it is possible to come up with a loading similar to the Hornady Lever Revolution. I am going to try them sometime for my Marlin 336 RC. Good luck to you!!!
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You can't go wrong with a set of RCBS dies,the 2 die set. I crimp separately with a Lee Factory Crimp Die. It makes a third step in reloading,but is well worth it. No messing with seating and crimping adjustments combined,and no scrunched case necks.
I have LFC dies for everything I reload. Wouldn't be without them. They contribute to ballistic uniformity and accuracy.
Get a case trimming setup if you're going to reload .30-30. Cases will stretch in a Marlin,and need to be checked every reload cycle.
Best of luck on the new reloading venture. I've killed a lot of deer with the sierra 170 grain flatnose over IMR 3031powder. Do not exceed 29.2 grains,which is Hodgdon/IMR recommended max.



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I use two die set for .30-30...

I seat and crimp in two separate steps though...

Actually, I seat and crimp everything in two steps...
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I have a RCBS 2 die set and a Lee Factory crimp die but also use a Lyman "M" expander for cast. So essentially I have a 4 die but could get by with the 2 die most of the time.
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30-30 dies sets

I watched a video today of a guy loading .30-30 with a 2 die set. I guess where I was a little confused is that on my straight walled cartridges there is a powder through expanding die to open the case for the bullet to have room to be seated. Apparently there is not such a thing for .30-30. I assume the decapping-sizing die does this? After watching the video I am pretty confident that a 2 die set is good...but if I can get a Lee FCD too I will do so.
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I watched a video today of a guy loading .30-30 with a 2 die set. I guess where I was a little confused is that on my straight walled cartridges there is a powder through expanding die to open the case for the bullet to have room to be seated. Apparently there is not such a thing for .30-30. I assume the decapping-sizing die does this? After watching the video I am pretty confident that a 2 die set is good...but if I can get a Lee FCD too I will do so.


Chamfering/debur should make the opening enough to set bullet in case.
Be sure bullet is straight on top of case then seat it.
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My Lee dies in .300 Savage & .32 H&R Magnum works just fine puts out some decent reloads. But again their shell holders suck to loose fitting. RCBS shell holder is what I am using and everything works just fine.
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