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Old March 15th, 2017, 06:56 AM   #1
 
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So, what's your preference when it comes to sizing dies, not manufacturer, rather F/L or neck and why?




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Old March 15th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #2
 
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Well I use both, when I pick up brass from the range, that wasn't fired in one of my rifles, after it has been tumbled I full length resize it and trim to specs. Now the brass that has been fired in one of my rifles I neck size.
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I full length size everything. It doesn't take any longer.

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My handgun brass is full length sized (tried sizing first 25% of some .44 Magnum cases but found no advantage). My Garand brass is full length sized but my bolt gun in 308 gets neck sizing only. I use a Lee Loader on occasion for my 7.64x54r or my 30-30 (for a single shot), and those are neck sized due to tool design...
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I also full-length size all my handgun brass, every time. I don't reload for rifle calibers.
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Mark204, You can get by without a neck sizer but you can't get by without a full length sizer. Only brass that has been fired in your specific rifle is eligible for being neck sized and even then .... not for semi-auto rifles. Why? In most closed breach rifles such as a bolt, pump, lever, or single shot, neck sized brass will chamber very snug .... but it will chamber. Semi-autos usually don't chamber neck sized cases well and end up in a failure to feed.

The very purpose of neck sizing only is to fire form your brass so it fits snug in the same rifle it was originally fired in. This helps extend the life of the brass ..... especially if there is a slight headspace issue. Further, when brass fits snug in a chamber, accuracy is usually better. Although chambers in different rifles are very similar, they are not exactly the same so there is usually a conflict when you try to use neck sized cases in a different rifle.

Neck sizer dies are somewhat universal .... meaning they will work with several different cartridges providing the bullet diameter is the same. In other words you can use a .224" neck sizer for a 223 Rem, 22-250, 221 Fireball, 220 Swift, etc. If the shoulder has to be set back, you need to use a full length sizer die that is proprietary to your cartridge.

I have .224, .243, 7mm, and 30 cal neck sizer dies but I rarely use them. That's because I load for more than one rifle in each cartridge so I use a full length sizer die to eliminate having to dedicate ammo to a specific rifle. I also have a neck sizer for .25 cal bullets but I only have one 25 cal rifle .... a 25-'06, so I generally use it.

Just a note on case compatibility .... the thickness of the brass at the neck can vary so you may have to do neck turning. I run into this very issue with my 7x57mm .... most US made brass cases work OK but military surplus or European made cases have thicker brass so the necks must be turned before the cartridges will chamber. As cases are fired several times, brass tends to flow forward, making the necks thicker so after 3 or 4 reloads, you have to neck turn or do a full length resize. Having to neck turn each case adds a lot of time to the reloading effort and of course costs more for the extra tools.
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Mark204, You can get by without a neck sizer but you can't get by without a full length sizer. Only brass that has been fired in your specific rifle is eligible for being neck sized and even then .... not for semi-auto rifles. Why? In most closed breach rifles such as a bolt, pump, lever, or single shot, neck sized brass will chamber very snug .... but it will chamber. Semi-autos usually don't chamber neck sized cases well and end up in a failure to feed.

The very purpose of neck sizing only is to fire form your brass so it fits snug in the same rifle it was originally fired in. This helps extend the life of the brass ..... especially if there is a slight headspace issue. Further, when brass fits snug in a chamber, accuracy is usually better. Although chambers in different rifles are very similar, they are not exactly the same so there is usually a conflict when you try to use neck sized cases in a different rifle.

Neck sizer dies are somewhat universal .... meaning they will work with several different cartridges providing the bullet diameter is the same. In other words you can use a .224" neck sizer for a 223 Rem, 22-250, 221 Fireball, 220 Swift, etc. If the shoulder has to be set back, you need to use a full length sizer die that is proprietary to your cartridge.

I have .224, .243, 7mm, and 30 cal neck sizer dies but I rarely use them. That's because I load for more than one rifle in each cartridge so I use a full length sizer die to eliminate having to dedicate ammo to a specific rifle. I also have a neck sizer for .25 cal bullets but I only have one 25 cal rifle .... a 25-'06, so I generally use it.

Just a note on case compatibility .... the thickness of the brass at the neck can vary so you may have to do neck turning. I run into this very issue with my 7x57mm .... most US made brass cases work OK but military surplus or European made cases have thicker brass so the necks must be turned before the cartridges will chamber. As cases are fired several times, brass tends to flow forward, making the necks thicker so after 3 or 4 reloads, you have to neck turn or do a full length resize. Having to neck turn each case adds a lot of time to the reloading effort and of course costs more for the extra tools.
In the late 80's I used to F/L size everything, but I had fewer rifles then. Then as I started buying more I switched to neck only. Since I don't load for more than one gun per caliber I thought it was the best way to go. The main reason was to increase the life of the brass, no sense in bringing a case back to SAAMI specs if its going to be shot in the same gun.

I use body dies now when the bolt turn down gets a little tight to bump the shoulder back, generally all I need is .002 and the problem is solved.

The only guns I still F/L size are the 7mm and my colt SP1, the SB dies for the .223 are fantastic, I have never had an FTF to date.



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