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Old March 11th, 2017, 06:08 PM   #1
 
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Is this program worth the money for reloading hand gun's preferably revolvers. I don't shoot rifles at the moment.

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Old March 11th, 2017, 06:38 PM   #2
 
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If you were into "off-book" loadings . . . ie, powders with no published data for the caliber . . . maybe.

If you constantly push max or +P loads and use a chronograph to actually calibrate QL's results to your real-world data . . . maybe. In the same case if you shoot in widely different temps and need to predict pressure results . . . maybe.

But if you're shooting mostly published powders for your calibers and don't have a chrono, I'd spend the money on a chrono first.
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Have a chrono and stick to published loads just like to stick with powders that fill the case at least half full I use a 550b and finding that weight and volume is not always the same

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Have a chrono and stick to published loads just like to stick with powders that fill the case at least half full I use a 550b and finding that weight and volume is not always the same

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QL will do that, maybe better than it does most other things. Of course QL depends on accurate case capacities, bullet lengths, and seating depths to give you the fill%. But even close approximations will give you usable fill% at least for your purpose.
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I've owned QuickLOAD for over 10 years and have kept up with the upgrades. Seems there's always a bunch of new powders and bullets listed with each new version. This is a fantastic program for doing "sanity tests" on book loads. It is not intended for actual load data and in fact there are many internal cautions that tell you NOT to use it for actual load data.

I find it is very valuable for determining chamber pressure when I load lead bullets. This allows me to match chamber pressure to bullet hardness and end up with lead bullet loads that do NOT foul the bore. It's also great for "what ifs" .... such as what happens when a bullet is seated deeper than recommended?

Spend your money on a couple of good reloading manuals .... Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler are all great.
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I've owned QuickLOAD for over 10 years and have kept up with the upgrades. Seems there's always a bunch of new powders and bullets listed with each new version. This is a fantastic program for doing "sanity tests" on book loads. It is not intended for actual load data and in fact there are many internal cautions that tell you NOT to use it for actual load data.

I find it is very valuable for determining chamber pressure when I load lead bullets. This allows me to match chamber pressure to bullet hardness and end up with lead bullet loads that do NOT foul the bore. It's also great for "what ifs" .... such as what happens when a bullet is seated deeper than recommended?

Spend your money on a couple of good reloading manuals .... Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler are all great.
I have all of those and Lyman and Lee, I find the more I read them the more I learn the more I need to know. I'm getting ready to retire and thinking of getting into casting my own to save money, been reading up on it ( not as simple as it seams )wanting to get most everything I need before then.

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redford1, Here's some reading material that I wrote and posted in the Forum Library:

Lead Bullets and Revolvers; http://rugerforum.net/library/19869-...revolvers.html

The Mysteries of Smokeless Gunpowder; http://rugerforum.net/library/29181-...gunpowder.html

Casting bullets sounds like fun but for me .... I did not enjoy it plus lead vapors are deadly and molten lead can be dangerous. You need a dedicated place to cast with good ventilation. I had a huge supply of pure lead but even with that, I found I could buy cast lead bullets from Missouri Bullet Co cheaper than I could cast them myself. There is a very significant investment in a furnace, molds, handles, and other ancillary tools and supplies such as a sizer and lube press, alloy materials, bullet lube, flux, and of course lead ..... not to mention your electric bill.

I do enjoy shooting lead bullets and found Missouri Bullet Co provides excellent service plus they allow you to select the bullet hardness that's best suited for your loads. The quality is just as good as my own castings after culling out the bad ones. I guess what I'm saying is .... casting for the purpose of saving money is probably not going to happen. Some people really enjoy it .... like another hobby to support reloading and shooting hobbies.

For the past several decades, I have been preaching about matching bullet hardness to chamber pressure. Although it doesn't have to be perfect, the closer the match the less lead fouling you get an the better your accuracy will be. The formulas are simple and are included in the "Lead Bullets and Revolvers" article. This task alone makes QuickLOAD worth having. As an example, lets say I have a 45 Colt that I want to load to factory specs of 14k psi and 860 fps with a 255gr bullet. That means my bullet hardness needs to be BHN 10. Next I have to find a powder that will produce 14k psi with my 255gr bullet. After experimenting with several powders, I find 8 gr of Unique develops very close to 14k psi and is very close to factory velocity of 860 fps. I then look in my reloading manuals for an equivalent load. Turns out, my Speer manual has a similar load .... 8.5 gr of Unique with a velocity of 846 fps from a 5.5" barrel. The data from QuickLOAD is close to the max load published in the Speer manual that Speer actually pressure tested.

At the range, my 8.5gr Unique load with a BHN 10 255gr lead bullet chronographed at 876 fps from my Ruger Blackhawk with a 7 1/2" barrel. Accuracy is excellent and there is virtually no lead fouling in the bore. That said, I must confess .... I had previously reamed the cylinder throats to .4525" and chamfered the forcing cone with a 11 deg reamer.

In this case, QuickLOAD is not perfect but it tracks fairly close to the reloading manual so I have reason to believe chamber pressure will also track reasonably close. It must work pretty well because I have used the same exact concept for many other lead bullets loads in other cartridges and always find accuracy and bore fouling to be optimum.
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Lowegan, I have been looking at Missouri bullets to try out all of my revalver's or stock. I tried hornady lead bullets in my 627-5 but they load the lands, it seams to be the full length of the bore could not find the BHN for them. I have read your articles and it one of the reasons I am looking at QL.

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redford1, Hornady and Speer lead bullets are swaged .... not cast and have a hardness of BHN 10. This is great for low pressure loads but too soft for higher pressure loads.
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Sounds like I need to use those in 38 instead of 357 then, I'll try that thanks and I think I'll get Quick load if nothing else to compare my reloads.

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Is this program worth the money for reloading hand gun's preferably revolvers. I don't shoot rifles at the moment.

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I have been using Quickload for several years now and don't regret the buying decision.
I also have a chronograph and several manufactures books and use all to develop my ammunition.

I have heard of people using Quickload to develop loads but I caution against that. Read on...
While it comes close to published loads in many situations it can also give false information.
For example one time I used QL to develop a load for some lead Hi-Tek coated 9mm bullets that I had zero load information for. I started at with what QL showed as 25K PSI, well under the 35K PSI max. The loads turned out to be just as fast (and snappy) as factory ammo. Glad I was cautious.
Hope this helped.

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I have been using Quickload for several years now and don't regret the buying decision.
I also have a chronograph and several manufactures books and use all to develop my ammunition.

I have heard of people using Quickload to develop loads but I caution against that. Read on...
While it comes close to published loads in many situations it can also give false information.
For example one time I used QL to develop a load for some lead Hi-Tek coated 9mm bullets that I had zero load information for. I started at with what QL showed as 25K PSI, well under the 35K PSI max. The loads turned out to be just as fast (and snappy) as factory ammo. Glad I was cautious.
Hope this helped.

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Thank for the info, I wasn't going to use it to develop loads just to verify the pressure and speed. I always work my loads from at least two manuals and start at minimum load.

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