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Old March 7th, 2017, 10:57 PM   #31
 
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Of all the equipment I purchase for a "caliber" to reload, I figure that one more lesser expensive item to not break the bank and be quite essential for "mistakes" as the OP referrs to. Pulling bullets especially when "Pounding" is involved could spook even the veteran reloader. I realized that I was lacking just a couple of items to safely do this operation on my single stage press. A proper fitting schedule 8 thick flat washer and an extended shell holder. Now if you plan on doing it this way on more than one caliber, then I'd suggest getting the Hornady Universal Extended Shell Holder. It does not rely upon specific calibers. All you need to get is the one extension. All this does in to extend the ram and not the specific shell holder. So with this Hornady tool in place, your regular shell holder used in normal reloading is snapped into the top.

Now with the extended appropriate shell holder in place, you place a proper sized schedule 8 thick washer. Thick so it lasts and won't bend. Schedule 8 for much the same reason. Now as far as the "appropriate size" is concerned, you need a washer that goes well past your presses die threads. This is so you do not damage them with your pliers (oops, I forgot to mention that you'd need a pair of combination pliers). With all parts in place, run the ram with loaded shell up and into the awaiting washer. Now with the bullet exposed, grab onto the bullet with your pliers and then lower the ram. Go as fast or as slow as you feel comfortable with and slow enough to not spill any powder. This way of course damages the bullet, but I'm of the opinion that one bullet is not going to break me either and even with a professional bullet puller, damage could have been inflicted on the bullet anyway. Better to start off with another new bullet in your load.

I discovered this way, way back at the start of my SASS shooting. I had most all of the equipment fellow shooters said that I should bring including four boxes of 45LC which was loaded by myself to serve as rifle and revolver ammunition. The only trouble was, when I got to the range, clearly on the sign that greeted everyone stating "NO Jacketed or Gas Checked Bullets Allowed!" What? All that ammo I carefully loaded was illegal in SASS? Yep so I had to pass on that shoot and regroup. That is when I discovered my pulling technique and it only cost pennies and now I have a universal kit for life. All bullets pulled, smelted and recast without checks. Smithy.



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Or spend $15 on a whacker that comes with the collets to pull anything from 9mm to .45Colt.

Most pistol round are cleared with 1 or 2 hits. Then you can reuse the bullet, case, primer, and even powder if you choose.

Most kinetic pullers have a rubber plug in the bottom that catches the bullet without damage.
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Or spend $15 on a whacker that comes with the collets to pull anything from 9mm to .45Colt.

Most pistol round are cleared with 1 or 2 hits. Then you can reuse the bullet, case, primer, and even powder if you choose.

Most kinetic pullers have a rubber plug in the bottom that catches the bullet without damage.
I already have one. I stated that in the original post....
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I already have one. I stated that in the original post....
Sorry, that was in response to the fellow above stacking washers in his press and pulling bullets with pliers.
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I have never had a problem pulling bullets with a kinetic puller and I've pulled just about every caliber some time or other over the past 45+ years.
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Sorry, that was in response to the fellow above stacking washers in his press and pulling bullets with pliers.
Ah ok, I guess I missed that one
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Add another to the list of using a kinetic puller and never having a problem.

But eye protection is a worthy precaution.
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The concept of the "hammer type" inertia puller always seemed like a baaaad idea to me, dunno why, just b'cause I guess. But what the hey, everybody says they're OK, so why not? Interesting experience follows . . .

A friend gave me a bunch of .357 Max ammo he had loaded but didn't need since he sold the gun. It was welcome stuff, of course. I shot most of it, against my better judgement, but I knew he was a careful reloader and so I went ahead . . . until . . .

I was preparing to shoot the last batch when I noticed the "recipe" he had used. (He kept careful records.) They appeared to be considerably above the safe range for the bullet/powder mix involved. I called him and asked him about these. He admitted he had not fired any of them, using a "recipe" he picked up "somewhere". I decided to pull the bullets.

Borrowed a "hammer" from a friend and attacked the subject cartridges. Long story short, it was a disaster. These used 180-grain Jacketed softpoints, FIRMLY crimped. How firmly, you ask? I struggled thru about five of them, beating them to death to the point where I was afraid I'd break the "hammer" and all I accomplished was to EXTRUDE THE LEAD BULLET CORES OUT OF THE JACKETS. Yep, the jackets remained firmly crimped in place. Decided this was NOT a good idea. Cut the cases off behind the bullets with my tubing cutter, dumped the powder, killed the primers, and scrapped the whole bunch.

What I took from this episode was that the "hammer" approach probably won't result in a "kaboom" even under extreme circumstances.

JMHO YMMV ETC.
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Wow Ale, that's a hell of a time! I've discovered I've been crimping mine pretty tight by having to use this puller. I've only had to pull 5-6 so far, I just bought the puller because I figure it won't be the last time.

I also thought it was a bad idea. But I knew they've been around for years and used quite commonly.
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Wow Ale, that's a hell of a time! I've discovered I've been crimping mine pretty tight by having to use this puller. I've only had to pull 5-6 so far, I just bought the puller because I figure it won't be the last time.

I also thought it was a bad idea. But I knew they've been around for years and used quite commonly.
I'm still using the same RCBS kinetic puller I originally bought back in the 70's. It's been used like a heavy hammer beating spikes into hardwood pulling Military crimped "sealed" bullets. We called those "5 wackers". Normal loads are 2-3 wacks.
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Kinetic bullet pullers are designed to safely pull bullets. I don't know why any one would be afraid to use them. Never had the slightest problem myself.
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There is nuttin' "scary" about impact/inertia bullet pullers, at least for this old feller (reloading mebbe 30 Years). Primers going off? Look at how a primer works; an impact by a small diameter rod crushes a a compound between a brass cup and a built in anvil. Compound is pressure sensitive and ignites. Primers that get bent up, or are sideways in a pocket usually don't get that impact to crush the cup/compound/anvil.

I rarely make mistakes () but when I need to pull some bullets i use an impact puller (no markings on it and I bought it many years ago so I forgot what make it is) and use a lead ingot for an anvil, soft lead "pad" about 2"x4"x6". Much quieter and the impact is not softened enough to hinder the inertia of the bullet...
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All good I suppose and in response to mine, the inertia puller does save the bullet. I just had a situation with soft lead bullets that would have imparted marks with any sort of puller and they had checks on them and weren't supposed to according to SASS and that range's rules.

I used what I had, but found that I liked the press idea much better than any commercial puller's design. I can go as slow as I please and don't have to stop and unscrew the unit just to get the powder out and since I was destined to "Uncheck" the bullets anyway (read put them back in the lead pot for smelting) it was the only way to go. I still use this method since I still use hand cast bullets for all my loading. All it takes is just casting one more bullet than I'd have cast without the mistake and pulled round. Smithy.
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