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Old March 5th, 2017, 06:58 PM   #1
 
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I hate .380!

OK, I don't mean I hate .380 firearms. I've carried a LCP and it's a nice little weapon....

What I mean is, I hate when I'm at the range next to someone firing a 380, and I sweep up my brass with my little broom and dustpan, and end up with a bunch of 380 mixed in with my 9mmbrass.

So I end up visually checking all the brass that I brought home, looking for that very slight difference in length. What a pain.

Would someone please invent a device that separates 9mm from 380?!?

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Old March 5th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #2
 
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I do.
Don't like the sharp kick vs. the 9 mm and never mind the accuracy.
On the sorting issue, sorry you are on your own :-)
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Yep been there done that. It takes me more time to seperate those than any other. This took a while to seperate, alot of 380, and 9mm, and others. Magnet takes care of the steel case.

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Take a set of calipers, lock it to the length of an empty 9mm case, then use it as a case length gauge. It's still a pain sorting the .380 from the 9mm brass but it beats getting eye strain trying to read all those case heads!
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It's a pain, for sure. Just something to deal with, I don't see any way around it.
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The wife and I gave up .380 ACP as a caliber (amongst several calibers cut from our collection) in 2009...so we don't invest in it anymore.

That being said, sweeping up .380 casings and then sorting it out from 9mm just takes time.
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It's not hard to separate the 9mm from the .380, just set them all on end and it is real easy to spot the .380 cases that are with your 9 mm, you don't need any kind of gauge. I like to get some .380 cases along with my 9mm, they are a lot less common and i have more 9 mm than i will likely ever need.
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I use a sharpie to place a colored swipe across the base of each pistol and 223 round I make. I do that while ensuring each round has been checked for an unfired, properly seated primer after the ammo has been placed nose down in 100-count ammo boxes. Other rifle brass needs no mark because it never hits the ground.

When I pick up brass I immediately know which cases are mine, and therefore I know what caliber they are. Only the remainder if any need to be sorted.

When there are other shooters around, I pick up my brass after 10 or 20 rounds (9mm) or 5-10 rounds (45ACP) to avoid having my brass swept up by others. The stripes help again by telling me how many more I need to find. This happens to be an especially important use in 45ACP because I exclusively use small primer brass.

FWIW I also stopped using a broom to avoid stirring up whatever lead is on the floor after learning that some kids who routinely swept up brass had higher than expected lead levels. Paranoid, maybe . . . but I had noticeable blood lead levels which began to come down once I stopped doing that. Now I pick up by hand or using a scraper . . . which BTW the indoor ranges in my area have switched to.
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I'm with you Pam.

The good news is that when you inadvertently put a .380 casing into the first station on a Dillon 550 press it becomes immediately apparent when you try to size the case. There will be noticeably less resistance when you attempt to size that shorter casing. If you miss that warning sign the next clue is the powder near the top of the casing or sometimes flowing over in the second stage! If you're really asleep at the switch, the bullet will crush the un-flared casing in the third stage ! I know this because I intentionally ran .380 casings through a Dillon 550 set up for 9mm to see the results. I've never had a .380 casing make it past the first die (sizing/depriming) during actual reloading.

I usually manage to separate all of the .380 auto casings from my 9mm brass before I clean the brass but a few occasionally get through. After a while you learn to spot that slightly shorter casing (9 x17mm vs. 9 x 19mm) when you're checking brass.

The really annoying situation is when you get a 9mm casing nested inside of a 40 S&W casing or a 40 S&W inside a 45 ACP.
OR, if you miss a .357 magnum casing and attempt to expand it with a die set for 38 Special and turn it into a small trumpet.
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Ah you reloaders don't have anything else to do anyway


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I have my own home range so not an issue. But I can see where that would suck.

And Ive read way to many accounts of 380's NOT getting the job done. So I wont own one.

My autos are all 9mm or 45.

Take CCI metal case to the public range,,, put the shoe on the OTHER foot.
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I hate .380 for an entirely different reason: it's a useless caliber and it's not good at anything IMO. It sucks as a SD round, you can't hunt with it and it's definitely not exciting to shoot. It isn't particularly accurate and the short barrels it normally gets fired from doesn't help with that. The ammo isn't cheap relative to what it's capabilities are and sometimes can be hard to find. Plus, some gun manufacturers chamber real guns with it and charge you as if it was a real caliber. I also question the masculinity of men that carry a 380 for CCW. I can understand why some women might carry 380 but there's no justification for a grown man doing so. I have no use for the 380.
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I feel Pampurrs pain. I deal with the same issue when my shooting buddy and I decide it's "Glock Day". His is a 10mm, while I shoot .40S&W ensuring a time-consuming sort.
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Bonk, Back when John Moses Browning designed the "9mm Browning Short", it had a useful purpose. When SAAMI came on the scene in the 1920's, the cartridge name was changed in the US to a 380 Auto. In Europe, it is called a 9mm Kurtz. No matter what the name, the cartridge was chambered in many different pistols .... some by foreign police. Keep in mind, back before WWII, the 380 Auto had plenty of power for self defense. In later years, people obviously got much more bullet proof because cartridges came out that dwarfed the 380 with much more power, thus rendering the 380 useless in some people's opinion.

Many people now consider a 380 Auto to be worthless because it is often affiliated with cheap pistols such as a Lorcin, Phoenix, or Raven. When chambered in a decent pistol, a 380 Auto still has enough authority for concealed carry self defense. I even own one myself .... a Walther PPK/S, which is a very respectable pistol. I even reload for the 380 Auto on my Dillon RL550 press.
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I carry a keltec P3AT , not because it is the best self defense round but because I live in Florida and most of the time wear shorts and a golf shirt. I can carry and conceal it very easy in my pocket. It is much better to have a 380 in your pocket than a Glock 21 at home! Besides I have never heard of any one saying oh you've only got a 380 go ahead and shoot me! No one wants to leak!


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