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Old April 3rd, 2017, 02:13 PM   #31
 
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You're absolutely right and that's because when you get a significant sum of money invested in a press and accessories .... and it produces great ammo, you become very brand loyal. You will find without fail ..... reloaders are more brand loyal with their presses than shooters are with their guns.

Over the years, I have loaded on many different brands of presses .... single stage, turret, and progressive. They all seem to work .... some better than others. At one time (back in the 70's) all I owned was a RCBS Rockchucker. All my dies and accessories were also RCBS. In fact I still have that old Rockchucker, RCBS 510 scale, Uniflow powder measure, powder trickler, primer pocket swaging tool, auto primer feed, and many sets of RCBS dies plus an RCBS Ammo Master tool kit. I think you could have called me a RCBS junkie.

In the early 1990's, I got into a push for time .... I just couldn't keep up on a single stage press and still have time to shoot ... not to mention working and other family obligations. I bought a RCBS "Piggy back" conversion kit for my Rockchucker. I was sadly disappointed .... a very poor design. My brand loyalty days were over. I worked about a mile from Dillon's factory in Scottsdale, AZ so I spent many lunch hours talking to the sales reps and playing with the different machines. I finally decided to get the RL550. I had enough money saved for the XL650 but the features on the 550 sold me on the design. Funny .... I still feel the same way more than 25 years later. Hornady LnL AP presses were not available at the time or I might have bought one. Once I bought several sets of Dillon dies and a bunch of caliber conversion kits and tool heads, I was committed to Dillon and am now a full blown Dillon junkie. That said, I try to keep an open mind and respect for other brands of equipment and accessories.
I have RCBS JR3 , Lee Turret and Hornady LNL on my bench... Hopefully they should last me the next 30 years? Heck Ill be 83 by then

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WCWV all I can say is the Hornady LNL has worked very well for me after setting it up as per Highboy videos and have loaded about 8000 rounds so far. I don't load more than a 100 to 200 in a session and dont have case or bullet feeders so can't say if I could load the amounts that others claim to be able to do per hour.
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IMHO, if you have to watch several vidios to set up a press then it's just too complicated and fussy. My Lee 4 hole turret press works just fine.
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Well, we don't have pennies here anymore so I am going to toss in a nickel.. I bought a TRG 42 in 338 Lapua, a Hornady LNL progressive, all the dies I thought I would ever use, Hornady trimmer, Hornady concentricity checker, Hornady ultrasonic cleaner, Hornady.......blah blah. I set the press up to be a true progressive BUT my OCD and meticulous nature now has me prepping all the brass beforehand, cleaning and recleaning brass, hand priming with RCBS primer tool, powdering individually by hand (except for 45 ACP) and then back to the LNL for projectile pushing. I can still crank out 500 45 ACP in an evening, but only 100 or so of the precision rounds for my Lapua or my 6.5 Creedmoor. I have an associate that has the new Dillon and cranks out ACP like a gumball dispenser, but he also spends more time at the range than the target stands lol. There is only one sport shop in town that sells reloading equip and he only stocks green so I have to special order anything Hornady that I want. There you are, one shiny beaver spent!
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IMHO, if you have to watch several vidios to set up a press then it's just too complicated and fussy. My Lee 4 hole turret press works just fine.
Nope not too complicated or fussy. Like any mechanical device it can be tuned to work better. After watching how he timed the priming and press systems and doing the same to my LNL it hasn't missed a round since I got it.
A friend has a Lee Pro 1000 and it takes more than several videos to keep it working but he is happy with it and it loads what he shoots.
Whatever works for you is what it's all about.
Myself I really don't get into the bull crap of mine is better than yours.
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The Hornaday was the biggest POS I ever owned (Reloading-wise). Sold it for a loss and never looked back. Bought a Dillon and moved forward!
It's true that some guys can't figure things out or don't want to bother.
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IMHO, if you have to watch several vidios to set up a press then it's just too complicated and fussy. My Lee 4 hole turret press works just fine.
I use my Classic turret most but those who shoot in real volume welcome the output rate and limited physical involvement of the better progressives. You still have to stop for primers though, so it's kind of a sprint between reloading primers. The new 1911 shaped primer tube loader by Hornady has helped me. I dislike having to peck at primers to fill a tube.
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I use my Classic turret most but those who shoot in real volume welcome the output rate and limited physical involvement of the better progressives. You still have to stop for primers though, so it's kind of a sprint between reloading primers. The new 1911 shaped primer tube loader by Hornady has helped me. I dislike having to peck at primers to fill a tube.
How is that Hornady primer tube loader working for you?
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The first time I tried loading a tube of primers I said BULL S$IT. There's GOT to be a better way. There is! That gun shaped loader works like a charm for me. Well worth the kinda high price after a few loadings.
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Danad - GONRA's pretty sure you REALLY WANNA process "Necked Caliber Brass"
FIRST then use it in ANY progressve press - to produce Really Nice Uniform Ammo.

Keep a ROBUST SINGLE STAGE press on hand to resize any necked caliber brass
before feeding into any progressive press.
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GONRA, Tell me .... what does a single stage do that a progressive press doesn't do?
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GONRA, Tell me .... what does a single stage do that a progressive press doesn't do?
I have to hear this too.....................

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And here I sit with my nearly-40-year-old 'Chucker . . .

Kidding aside, the 'Chucker produces ammo up to my standards, in quantities necessary for my shooting activities, in the time I care to spend on reloading.

If any of those qualifications were measurably different, I'd likely have gone to some kinda turret thing long ago. As it is, I'm happy. To me, the reloading is as much fun as the shooting.

And no matter how many times this subject gets thrashed, I still enjoy reading it.

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It appears I will not get an answer to my question in post #41 so I will answer it myself.

I can't speak for all progressive presses but the "precision" in rifle reloading comes more from the dies and less from the press. Of course all dies must be adjusted properly .... no matter what press you use and you must push the handle down until it stops to make sure all adjustments are maintained.

When I reload 223 Rems or 308 Win ammo on my Dillon RL550 progressive, there is absolutely no difference than when I load them on my Rockchucker single stage. The finished product looks and shoots equally well from either press. I use a RCBS small base sizer die, a RCBS bullet seater die, and a Redding taper crimp die. I rarely shoot over 250 yards but accuracy is the same from either press out to 250 yards. I think if there was going to be an accuracy issue, it would show up before 250 yards???

The reason for using a single stage press for rifle ammo is more for convenience not quality. I do spend some time on case prep .... cleaning cases before sizing, annealing and trimming cases after sizing .... all done in batches. This means if I use my Dillon, I have to remove the case after it has been sized then do the rest of the case prep. I have done this many times and it is still much faster to load with the Dillon despite an interruption for case prep. That said, if I am going to load a small batch, (20 rounds or so) I'll probably just use the Rockchucker because the total time needed will be a little less. Typically, I will load about 250 rounds of 223 Rem or 308 Win per session on my Dillon. It averages about 5 times faster so instead of spending most of a day reloading, I can do it in an hour and get the same quality results. With my other rifle cartridges, I seldom load more than a 20 round box in one session so the Rockchucker is a bit more convenient.

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I use my single stage to run the Lee Bulge Buster setup. I also use it if I ever need to run some finished rounds in an FCD for post sizing. I could do that last one on my turret, but the LnL adapter on the single stage lets me just pop in the die without messing with a turret. I need a press stroke either way, and the single stage has the longer handle and better leverage if needed. The progressive and turret have ergo handles.
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